Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?

French Patriot

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Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?

Some religions like Christianity and Islam teach that people are condemned by God and that we have to work to gain salvation. God created us ill, and orders us to be well, on pain of tremendous eternal torture and eventual death. This teaching follows the one where we are told that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways. This makes the notions of condemnation and the need for salvation obvious lies.

Gnostic Christianity does not use this type of carrot and stick motivation in its theology. We are Universalists and only see a heaven, no hell. We think God too good a creator to ever have to condemn anyone. Our God is a winner, not the loser God that Christianity has invented. All the Gods are myths created to help us reach our highest human potential and are only tools to open our inner eye. Our single eye as Jesus calls it.

How we can forgive ourselves is that as Universalists, we have tied righteousness to equality. The logic trail from there says that if God is to punish anyone, he would have to punish everyone as everyone contributes to what we all are.

For instance. If God were to punish Hitler, he would have to revue what made Hitler what he ended up being. God would follow his time line and see perhaps that his parents spanked him and God would know what we know today, that spanking creates resentment and a delinquent attitude. That beginning would see Hitler's parents setting his mindset which eventually flowered into his tyrannical nature. So to be just, God would automatically have to punish Hitler's parents. That same logic would apply to everyone who contributed or facilitated Hitler's rise to infamy.

So for you and me to blame just ourselves for what we are would be quite unjust. This is not to say that we hold no responsibility for our actions, just not all of them.

Do you agree that the need of Salvation promoted by religions is an evil lie?

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DL
 

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"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
 

Ludlow

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When someone use to ask me if I was saved I wanted to ask that person, 'saved from what" Someone who is suppose to love me? No one knows what lies in another dimension or on the other side of death if anything. You're either a decent person or a child of the "light' as they say, or you're not. I'm sure we all should be mature enough to know that whatever choices we make in life carry their own consequences, positive or negative. I think just maybe live day by day the best you can and enjoy this gift called life that we have and don't worry about what may lie at the end of your journey because in all reality beyond our own experiences we don't know anything else.
 

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When someone use to ask me if I was saved I wanted to ask that person, 'saved from what"
Saved from going to the land of the enemy forever. A place you are sure to visit based on your current relationship with God and His followers. I would prefer that you trip doesn't start until you get to stay awake for that part of your journey.

Jer:31:15-17:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.

2Th:1:6:
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th:1:7:
And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
 

gerryh

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Do you agree that the need of Salvation promoted by religions is an evil lie


I would say that what is promoted by some religious leaders is a lie. What is truly promoted by Christianity is not.


You are as guilty with your division as any other religious "leader" in their division of the Christian Faith.
 

Ludlow

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Saved from going to the land of the enemy forever. A place you are sure to visit based on your current relationship with God and His followers. I would prefer that you trip doesn't start until you get to stay awake for that part of your journey.

Jer:31:15-17:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.

2Th:1:6:
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th:1:7:
And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
Ah yes another dishonest literalist who claims to speak for god. Thank you for your unsolicited reply.
 

damngrumpy

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This is the crux of the whole thing religions teaches there is an after life
just like the ancients in Egypt ans so on. Spirituality teaches the peace
of heaven is within yourself while you are here make the most of your
rime. Religion is divisive and breeds competitions and even hatred
while those who live their lives accepting others for who they are and
without judgement. I personally don't care where someone comes from
or what color they are or what religion they are. That is until they make
the religious sales pitch to draw me into their belief system
 

Glacier

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True religion is about the love of God and the love of your fellow man.

James 1:27- Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.