The Official Contempt for Alberta Thread

Angstrom

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They are on our side. Us and the Saudis against Soviets and Soviet wannabes in South America

I know, but remember how Iraq was on our side too 😈

Your allowed to kill your allies when you know the dark side of the force.
 

Curious Cdn

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9/11 was an attack by Saudis and Yemeni, not by Iranians nor have ANY Iranians ever threatened any of us with attacks of any sort in our homelands but Saudis do it all of the time.

With "friends" like that ...
 

petros

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9/11 was an attack by Saudis and Yemeni, not by Iranians nor have ANY Iranians ever threatened any of us with attacks of any sort in our homelands but Saudis do it all of the time.

With "friends" like that ...

Would you prefer they worked with the Bolshevik cocksuckers in Moscow?
 

Curious Cdn

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Would you prefer they worked with the Bolshevik cocksuckers in Moscow?

The Bolshevik cocksuckers are as poor as church mice. It's mostly bluster. The Saudis are desert savages who have struck it rich for a few generations, until the oil runs out and they believe that God has given them the whole Earth to convert to their bizarre, Iron Age belief system at pain of death.

Who is more dangerous? The bankrupt, chest beating thug or the seriously overpaid madmen who seek to replace you?
 

damngrumpy

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I have long thought the worst is yet to come. Iran will soon be pumping
and they hate the Saudi's and the rest of the world is stockpiling so even
if we get stable prices the back log is going to take a long time.
No I see a year or more before things improve in any measure.
The problem is we in the west believe in buying cheap fuel and putting our
people out of work then they blame whatever government is handy.
Welcome to international markets unfettered by capitalism.
See government doesn't like to offend the stock market boys and speculation
profiteers, they don't like to step up on the Insurance and medical chemical
companies and instead they hide behind international agreements.
That is why I believe in a CANADA first policy
 

mentalfloss

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Suddenly everyone hates the Saudis and we should bomb them to hell lol
 

mentalfloss

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You can't always get what you want.
 

petros

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Suddenly everyone hates the Saudis and we should bomb them to hell lol

I guess everyone is as clueless as you are?

The Bolshevik cocksuckers are as poor as church mice. It's mostly bluster. The Saudis are desert savages who have struck it rich for a few generations, until the oil runs out and they believe that God has given them the whole Earth to convert to their bizarre, Iron Age belief system at pain of death.

Who is more dangerous? The bankrupt, chest beating thug or the seriously overpaid madmen who seek to replace you?

Saudis don't have nukes nor do they have enough iron to make a thumb tack.

Russia isn't broke, they just don't have any money.
 

mentalfloss

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Oil price pain seeps into other sectors of Alberta economy

Oil price pain seeps into other sectors of Alberta economy

From airlines to beer-makers to wireless providers, withering crude prices have been a drag on businesses seemingly far removed from the oilpatch.

"Sometimes — outside of Alberta, particularly — there's some skepticism or even some derision against the petroleum sector," said Todd Hirsch, chief economist at ATB Financial.

"Some people actually feel it's getting its comeuppance... But they need to realize that it has broader implications for the whole economy."

Troubled skies

WestJet Airlines, based in Calgary, is shuffling around its schedules to reflect lower demand for flights to and from energy-focused destinations in Western Canada.

On a recent quarterly conference call, there was also talk of potentially deferring the delivery of new planes and returning leased aircraft that are up for renewal next year.

"It's had a dramatic impact on WestJet," aviation consultant Rick Erickson said of the crude downturn. "Demand is down across the country but nowhere near as much as it is in Western Canada."

Traditionally, a big portion of airline traffic had been oil workers commuting to and from site from elsewhere in the country, said Erickson. With projects on hold, those volumes have tapered off.

Molson, Telus and Manulife

The crude downturn was even cited as cause for concern in the latest earnings for Molson Coors Brewing Co., which said on its quarterly call Thursday that beer drinkers — particularly in Alberta — are choosing economy brews over premium brands.

The oilpatch pain was also evident in the latest financial report from Vancouver based Telus. The company added just 4,400 postpaid wireless customers in Alberta during the second half of last year, a sharp drop from the net 50,000 it added in the same period a year earlier.

Insurer Manulife took a $250-million charge in the fourth quarter and a $876-million charge for 2015 as a result of a decline in its energy investments.

Retail pain

Data compiled by NPD Group, a research firm, paints a picture of how retail traffic has fared in different parts of the country in 2014 versus 2015.

Purchasing visits were down two per cent in Alberta and Atlantic Canada, while in the country as a whole, they were up three per cent.

The U.S. crude benchmark hit a high of around $108 US a barrel in mid-2014 and finished off 2015 below $40 a barrel. It's since depreciated further.

Oil price pain seeps into other sectors of Alberta economy - Calgary - CBC News
 

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What part of a market downturn would suggest you don't buckle up as it will be a rough ride is escaping your finely tuned Sherlock talents??
 

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If someone is screwing up our economy, I want that ****er bombed. Case closed :)
 

damngrumpy

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Re: Oil price pain seeps into other sectors of Alberta economy

Of course it is forty plus years of a single driver of the economy and the
failure of successive conservative governments to diversify the economy
have finally come home to roost.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Oil price pain seeps into other sectors of Alberta economy

What part of a market downturn would suggest you don't buckle up as it will be a rough ride is escaping your finely tuned Sherlock talents??

The more appropriate question is how Alberta could have avoided this.

Of course it is forty plus years of a single driver of the economy and the
failure of successive conservative governments to diversify the economy
have finally come home to roost.

Yup.
 

petros

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Oil price pain seeps into other sectors of Alberta economy
and into the Ontario economy that used to and could have been manufacturing fittings, controls, pipe, IT tech, and processed prairie food to feed the workers who could have bought subsided Tesla's with their killer $125K a year wages.
 

damngrumpy

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If every province diversified to include a variety of options we are better off
Most provinces have to some degree and Alberta did not because they
never thought it would get this bad. It is a province that had one brand of
government for far to long and those in power saw no need to diversify
So Alberta economically went from number one to last place over night
with the onset of one economic downturn
 

captain morgan

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Looks like will be bailing out some companies soon.

Justin will provide.

Justine had better think long and hard about letting the industry falter.... As per the OP, the banks are holding a sh*t ton of debt and if the E&Ps slide into foreclosure, it will drag the banks into a bad place.

Add to this that most pension funds (incl the Canadian Gvt), investment funds, mutual funds, et al all have significant positions in oil companies (and banks).... Well, it doesn't take a senior analysts to determine that the cost to the average Joe, in terms of their assets, net worth and retirement plans, will be extremely heavy
 

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I love it when people start talking about diversifying, like industry doesn't locate in regions that suit its needs. But govt's can change all that with their wizzy stick.
 
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captain morgan

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Re: Oil price pain seeps into other sectors of Alberta economy

Of course it is forty plus years of a single driver of the economy and the
failure of successive conservative governments to diversify the economy
have finally come home to roost.

And it's been 40 plus years of big equalization contributions to places like BC.

PS - love the comment about diversifying a provincial economy, especially coming from BC who's only real industries left standing are tourism and collecting taxes related to real estate