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The number seven figures prominently in Hebrew history and in Scripture, DB. The generations from Abraham to Christ are divided into fourteen-generation periods, a multiple of seven.
The period of 42 months or 1,260 days (3.5 years) recurs 4 times in Revelation 11-13 as half of a seven-year period. The number seven occurs more than fifty times in Revelation - seven churches, lampstands, stars, seals, angels, trumpets, bowls, etc. The number seven is associated biblically with divine completeness.
What is the biblical significance of the number seven/7?
When Christ says 'It is finished.' when He pours out the 7th vial (Re:16) that is the completion of the two bruises in Ge:3:15.
Where else in Scripture is the phrase, "It is finished." recorded, MHz? What does it signify?
"When he had received the drink, Jesus said, 'It is finished.' With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:30 NIV)
"It is finished" in Greek is "tetelestai", which means "paid in full." For those who believe, it means debt-free. What did Jesus mean when He said, ?It is finished??
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A solid argument that doesn't allow any room for a rebuttal. (fire is when it creates 'friction' and that means it challenges the 'accepted view') Currently Donald Trump is 'on fire' as what he says is burning a lot of 'truths'.
I'm sure we can romanticize any of the writings and come up with some profound and mystic interpretation of the mysterious riddles of the metaphors and allegories. Fire would probably represent purification traditionally I suppose.
Muslims are the antichrist!?
You are like the brothers of Joseph accused the wolf with devouring their brother Joseph. Only to avert the crime away from themselves. :idea:
Muslims punishment ? What about your coming punishment ?
What pious God's servants you are !
When Quraish demanded of Prophet Mohammed some miracles like those done by Jesus ...
Quran 6: 50, which means:
[Quraish tribesmen said to the Prophet – salam to him: "If you truly are a Prophet as do you claim, then do for us the miracles that Jesus son of Mary did before, and then we may believe you; because Jesus cured the congenitally blind and the albino; he also revived the dead and foretold about the 'Unknown'."
Therefore, this aya was revealed in reply to their words:]
{50. Say [Mohammed, to these disbelievers a]:
"I am not telling you that I have the treasuries of [the mercy of] God [so that I can work miracles like those of Jesus who cured the congenitally-blind and the albino and revived the dead],
nor that I know the Unknown b,
nor that I am angel [like him, because Jesus was an angel that came down from heaven according to God's command, and entered in the body of the fetus in the womb of Mary.] c
I only follow [the commands] revealed to me [from my Lord.]"
Say: "Are the blind [to the way of the truth like Abu-Jah'l], and the man seeing [it like Mohammed] equal? d
Will you not contemplate [about that?]"}
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a Who suggest to you such suggestions.
b So that I may tell you about what you eat, and what you store in your homes, as did Jesus tell you.
c So God gave him such miracles in order that they might respect him, and might not kill him.
But in spite of that, such miracles did not avail anything with the Children of Israel; because when the Jews saw such miracles which Moses had not brought before, they denied them and said: “These are not the miracles of prophets, but they are only a great sorcery done by a devil having much knowledge about the sorcery.”
While when the Christians saw such miracles which he worked, they became enthusiastic about him, until they ascribed him as the son of God, and another sect claimed he is God Himself.
Therefore, the material miracles are useless, because they will lead to destruction and to admission into the Fire; so when you see the miracles which you demand, done as you demanded:
>> either you will deny them and say: 'This is an obvious sorcery!' as did Jews claim about the miracles of Jesus;
>> or you will be enthusiastic about me and say he is the son of God as did Christians say,
and then your destination [in both cases] will be in the Fire.
So the material or objective miracles will not avail anything to let you believe; but better than this, you should think with your minds and look with your eyes to these stones which you worship: Can they profit or harm you? And in case you realize that they cannot do anything of that, then abandon them, and instead worship God your Lord and Creator and your Provider with the provision, if you believe in my words.
d It means: How can you follow Abu Jah'l who is blind to the way of the truth, and turn away from Mohammed who is certain and oriented about the truth and the religion?
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
What pious God's servants you are !
When Quraish demanded of Prophet Mohammed some miracles like those done by Jesus ...
Quran 6: 50, which means:
[Quraish tribesmen said to the Prophet – salam to him: "If you truly are a Prophet as do you claim, then do for us the miracles that Jesus son of Mary did before, and then we may believe you; because Jesus cured the congenitally blind and the albino; he also revived the dead and foretold about the 'Unknown'."
Therefore, this aya was revealed in reply to their words:]
{50. Say [Mohammed, to these disbelievers a]:
"I am not telling you that I have the treasuries of [the mercy of] God [so that I can work miracles like those of Jesus who cured the congenitally-blind and the albino and revived the dead],
nor that I know the Unknown b,
nor that I am angel [like him, because Jesus was an angel that came down from heaven according to God's command, and entered in the body of the fetus in the womb of Mary.] c
I only follow [the commands] revealed to me [from my Lord.]"
Say: "Are the blind [to the way of the truth like Abu-Jah'l], and the man seeing [it like Mohammed] equal? d
Will you not contemplate [about that?]"}
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a Who suggest to you such suggestions.
b So that I may tell you about what you eat, and what you store in your homes, as did Jesus tell you.
c So God gave him such miracles in order that they might respect him, and might not kill him.
But in spite of that, such miracles did not avail anything with the Children of Israel; because when the Jews saw such miracles which Moses had not brought before, they denied them and said: “These are not the miracles of prophets, but they are only a great sorcery done by a devil having much knowledge about the sorcery.”
While when the Christians saw such miracles which he worked, they became enthusiastic about him, until they ascribed him as the son of God, and another sect claimed he is God Himself.
Therefore, the material miracles are useless, because they will lead to destruction and to admission into the Fire; so when you see the miracles which you demand, done as you demanded:
>> either you will deny them and say: 'This is an obvious sorcery!' as did Jews claim about the miracles of Jesus;
>> or you will be enthusiastic about me and say he is the son of God as did Christians say,
and then your destination [in both cases] will be in the Fire.
So the material or objective miracles will not avail anything to let you believe; but better than this, you should think with your minds and look with your eyes to these stones which you worship: Can they profit or harm you? And in case you realize that they cannot do anything of that, then abandon them, and instead worship God your Lord and Creator and your Provider with the provision, if you believe in my words.
d It means: How can you follow Abu Jah'l who is blind to the way of the truth, and turn away from Mohammed who is certain and oriented about the truth and the religion?
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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Your kooran has nothing to do with this particular Judeo/Christian subject Selfslum. Why don't you comment on the subject matter as you comprehend it apart from your book . I think that would be big of you sir. Interpretation by Mewhammed Bin Ludlow
Bible scholars suggest that the fire represents purifying words proceeding from the mouths of these prophets, LL.
Really??
Re:18:8:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Re:18:10:
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city Babylon,
that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
"Therefore this is what the Lord God Almighty says: 'Because the people have spoken these words, I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people the wood it consumes." (Jeremiah 5:14 NIV)
"Is not my word like fire,' declares the Lord, 'and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29 NIV)
Really, MHz.
I prefer something more up to date so I would know what is being meant at the time some of these words are being read out.
Re:18:4:
And I heard another voice from heaven,
saying,
Come out of her,
my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins,
and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Re:11:13:
And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell,
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted,
and gave glory to the God of heaven.
M't:24:15-21:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth,
let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.
Re:16:1-2:
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels,
Go your ways,
and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
And the first went,
and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast,
and upon them which worshipped his image.
Re:18:4:
And I heard another voice from heaven,
saying,
Come out of her,
my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins,
and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Re:11:13:
And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell,
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted,
and gave glory to the God of heaven.
M't:24:15-21:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth,
let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.
Re:16:1-2:
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels,
Go your ways,
and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
And the first went,
and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast,
and upon them which worshipped his image.