Christian Atheism...it's a thing.

Nick Danger

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If a definitive answer, "proof" if you will, to the God question has yet to surface then there really can be no right or wrong beliefs, can there ? "God" can take any form you like. Personally, I like the idea of a metaphorical God, which I think is what Christian Atheism is about. The name "God" is more of a referral to concepts which deny traditional definition, and a whole whack of stuff we don't fully understand. Anyone's interpretation is fair game, for that person. Spiritual beliefs are a very personal thing, if you are totally at ease with what you believe, then how can it be wrong ?
 

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You are welcome. I've been full circle on my beliefs, used the scientific approach and came to the conclusion it is harder to deny God than it is to believe.

The science version of creation states that life appeared out of nowhere when conditions became conducive to life. Bible says God did it. Both say all life leads back to one source.

Guess what? Conditions conducive for life still exist but no more life has just up and appeared out of nowhere since.

Why the f-ck not?
 

Nick Danger

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Why wrestle with questions we can't hope to answer ? The path of least resistance for me was to simply surrender to the mystery and accept that there is, and may always be, things that are beyond my ability to understand. Things that, to speak metaphorically, only God knows.
 

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Why wrestle with questions we can't hope to answer ? The path of least resistance for me was to simply surrender to the mystery and accept that there is, and may always be, things that are beyond my ability to understand. Things that, to speak metaphorically, only God knows.

It is in our DNA to believe in a higher power. The content brought to a believer is double that of placebo. That alone says plenty.

What are you if you don't believe in Atheism?

Gnostic
 

Twila

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It is in our DNA to believe in a higher power. The content brought to a believer is double that of placebo. That alone says plenty.

Did you know that abuse and trauma your parents or grandparents suffered is also in your dna?

so now Not believing is in some of our dna.
 

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You are welcome. I've been full circle on my beliefs, used the scientific approach and came to the conclusion it is harder to deny God than it is to believe.

The science version of creation states that life appeared out of nowhere when conditions became conducive to life. Bible says God did it. Both say all life leads back to one source.

Guess what? Conditions conducive for life still exist but no more life has just up and appeared out of nowhere since.

Why the f-ck not?
I think I'll just have to agree with Socrates and say I don't know. Natural growth seems to be more compatible with that perspective.
 

Motar

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Did you know that abuse and trauma your parents or grandparents suffered is also in your dna?

Both suffered and self-inflicted abuse and trauma, Twila. Biblically speaking, DNA damage is a built-in consequence of sin (separation from God).

"The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." (Number 14:18 NIV)
 

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Both suffered and self-inflicted abuse and trauma, Twila. Biblically speaking, DNA damage is a built-in consequence of sin (separation from God).

"The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." (Number 14:18 NIV)
Interesting. I'd like to hear your point of view on a question.

I often hear from Christians that the, in my opinion, insanely harsh rules of the Old Testament, especially Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, cannot be ascribed to Christians because Jesus re-wrote the rules for the relationship between God and humans.

Yet here you are, quoting Numbers. Recognizing that you are not an authority, but also thinking (my opinion) that you're a pretty good Christian, I'd like to hear your take.

1. Is the Old Testament completely wiped out by Jesus's sacrifice and the New Testament?

2. Are the rules and the wisdom of the Old Testament still in force? Even the harsh and, to many people, insane ones?

3. Is the New Testament and the New Covenant what rules the universe now, but the Old Testament still valid for interpretation and understanding of the New Covenant?

The reason I ask is that it seems counter-intuitive to me that a God who claims to love us would inflict on a new soul disadvantages in punishment for what that soul's forbears did. I cannot think of a single standard by which that could be considered even just, much less loving or merciful. For that matter, most human legal systems contain specific prohibitions on visiting the "consequences" of the father's actions on the son. If mere humans can be so just and merciful, is not God even more so?
 

Twila

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Both suffered and self-inflicted abuse and trauma, Twila. Biblically speaking, DNA damage is a built-in consequence of sin (separation from God).

"The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." (Number 14:18 NIV)

I can't speak to this in a way that doesn't sound...mean. I don't believe there is a god or any gods that rule over this planet or any planet.
 

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I can't speak to this in a way that doesn't sound...mean. I don't believe there is a god or any gods that rule over this planet or any planet.
That was fine. It wasn't mean. It was a statement of disbelief without condemnation or insult toward believers.

So, y'know. . . well done.
 

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I can't speak to this in a way that doesn't sound...mean. I don't believe there is a god or any gods that rule over this planet or any planet.
Doesn't sound mean at all. It is thought by many that the book of Hebrews was written by Clement or maybe a man by the name of Apollos, No one really knows for certain but if it was written by a certain person I would not quote this phrase but, I don't think it was. So I'll put it down that " faith is the substance for things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen'. Don't really need to add to that. I think it's a good saying
 

Motar

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Interesting. I'd like to hear your point of view on a question.

I often hear from Christians that the, in my opinion, insanely harsh rules of the Old Testament, especially Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, cannot be ascribed to Christians because Jesus re-wrote the rules for the relationship between God and humans.

Yet here you are, quoting Numbers. Recognizing that you are not an authority, but also thinking (my opinion) that you're a pretty good Christian, I'd like to hear your take.

1. Is the Old Testament completely wiped out by Jesus's sacrifice and the New Testament?

2. Are the rules and the wisdom of the Old Testament still in force? Even the harsh and, to many people, insane ones?

3. Is the New Testament and the New Covenant what rules the universe now, but the Old Testament still valid for interpretation and understanding of the New Covenant?

The reason I ask is that it seems counter-intuitive to me that a God who claims to love us would inflict on a new soul disadvantages in punishment for what that soul's forbears did. I cannot think of a single standard by which that could be considered even just, much less loving or merciful. For that matter, most human legal systems contain specific prohibitions on visiting the "consequences" of the father's actions on the son. If mere humans can be so just and merciful, is not God even more so?

Whole bunch of questions, TB.