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damngrumpy

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I am not crazy about the Monarchy however they do play a useful role in our
society And the Senate and GG can slow down the miscreant elements that
from time to time intrude on Canadian views in the broad spectrum. What
miscreants you ask? I viewed Harper as one example. Mulroney was not one
he was different and I didn't share his opinion but he didn't attempt to dismantle
the fabric of the nation and its social programs like Harper did.

 

gerryh

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Nov 21, 2004
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I am not crazy about the Monarchy however they do play a useful role in our
society And the Senate and GG can slow down the miscreant elements that
from time to time intrude on Canadian views in the broad spectrum. What
miscreants you ask? I viewed Harper as one example. Mulroney was not one
he was different and I didn't share his opinion but he didn't attempt to dismantle
the fabric of the nation and its social programs like Harper did.



Still have a hard on for Harper I see. Relax, he's gone.
 

Johnnny

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Jun 8, 2007
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I get the whole thing you wrote and yes I actually do need a history lesson apparently. But all that aside he still does next to nothing and what he does actually do could be fulfilled by other parts of government.
 

gerryh

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Nov 21, 2004
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I get the whole thing you wrote and yes I actually do need a history lesson apparently. But all that aside he still does next to nothing and what he does actually do could be fulfilled by other parts of government.

What other "parts" could preform the duties of a Head of State.
 

Curious Cdn

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It is a major, MAJOR revamp of our entire system to get rid of the Monarchy. It is central to our constitution. The Crown is at the core of everything and we would be starting pretty much from scratch.
 

FiveParadox

Governor General
Dec 20, 2005
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I get the whole thing you wrote and yes I actually do need a history lesson apparently. But all that aside he still does next to nothing and what he does actually do could be fulfilled by other parts of government.

Really?

In the 2014-2015 program year, the Governor General participated in over 550 activities, performing the functions of our head of State as the Queen's representative. These are not just the constitutional functions of the Governor General, but functions in representing Canada and Canadians abroad; recognizing excellence through the Canadian honours system; and serving as a non-partisan Commander-in-Chief. These functions properly belong to the Governor General, and it would compromise their quality and non-partisanship if performed anywhere else.
 

JLM

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Nov 27, 2008
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I am not crazy about the Monarchy however they do play a useful role in our
society And the Senate and GG can slow down the miscreant elements that
from time to time intrude on Canadian views in the broad spectrum. What
miscreants you ask? I viewed Harper as one example. Mulroney was not one
he was different and I didn't share his opinion but he didn't attempt to dismantle
the fabric of the nation and its social programs like Harper did.

I'm not totally convinced that dismantling a few of our social programs isn't a good idea. Perhaps "dismantling" is a bit strong but some revamping is definitely something that should be seriously considered. Too much money is bled out to bureaucrats!
 

gerryh

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I'm not totally convinced that dismantling a few of our social programs isn't a good idea. Perhaps "dismantling" is a bit strong but some revamping is definitely something that should be seriously considered.


and what "social programs" would that be?
 

pgs

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Nov 29, 2008
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I am not crazy about the Monarchy however they do play a useful role in our
society And the Senate and GG can slow down the miscreant elements that
from time to time intrude on Canadian views in the broad spectrum. What
miscreants you ask? I viewed Harper as one example. Mulroney was not one
he was different and I didn't share his opinion but he didn't attempt to dismantle
the fabric of the nation and its social programs like Harper did.

No Mulrooney never tried to foster the Charlottetown Accord on the country .
And he wasn't responsible for the Parti Quebecous either .
 

gerryh

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I was thinking it similar to America. Have the prime minister be the head of state and government at the same time, but I guess we would have to change systems and start having presidents


The "President" is head of State, not head of government.
 

FiveParadox

Governor General
Dec 20, 2005
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You're right, the u.s. is one of the few democracies that doesn't separate the 2.
And the United States' system of government is a joke.

The only constitutional protection against an abusive head of government is the very fact, alone, that someone else is the head of state, and that someone else's signature is needed to take action at the executive level of government. As pro forma and ceremonial as that head of state's signature might be on nearly all occasions, that separation of political power from constitutional power is a critical safeguard of democracy, and it would be spectacularly unwise for us to tinker with it.

I was thinking it similar to America. Have the prime minister be the head of state and government at the same time, but I guess we would have to change systems and start having presidents

So, would you then have the Prime Minister no longer sit in the House of Commons? Would they no longer be responsible to the elected House? If the Prime Minister were defeated on a question of confidence, or censured, would it be up to the Prime Minister to decide whether or not he could continue in office? Would the Prime Minister be able to wave a magic wand, and prorogue or dissolve the legislature, with no check in place if it were being abused for partisan purposes?

Who would remove the Prime Minister from office if they were to start to abuse the powers of office whilst they held a majority in the elected House? Would national honours be issued in the name of the Prime Minister, as a political officer, instead? Would we see Canadians rejecting honours or awards because they didn't want to be associated with the elected Government of the day?

Would we abolish the Chancellery? Would we stop issuing and tracking armourial bearings, losing track of centuries of Canadian history and family lines? Would the Prime Minister then become the chancellor of the Order of Canada? Would appointments to our highest national honours system become political patronage appointments, of the sort that are decried all the time?

Would we ask the Prime Minister to stop being so involved in the governing of the country? Or would we stop receiving ambassadors, high commissioners, and other heads of mission, because the Prime Minister was too busy with question period? Would we cut down on visits of our head of state abroad, building relationships with international partners, because the Prime Minister needed to be in his seat in the House for an important vote that week?

How would you merge two full-time jobs like that, without completely disrupting the proper governance of the country? The Governor General is Canada's oldest continuous governmental office, and it has stuck around for as long as it has because it works well. It has adapted as Canada has changed, and it is going to continue to do so to serve Canadians and our constitution as it must.
 

FiveParadox

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JLM

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Nov 27, 2008
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If ever you want to rile up FiveParadox, simply say something bad about the Monarchy. :p

As far as Lizzy herself is concerned, I can't think of a single derogatory thing to say about her. Now as far as embarrassing relatives and offspring go, that could be an entirely different matter. Even old Philip can be a real A$$hole when he puts his mind to it!
 

Cannuck

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Feb 2, 2006
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As far as Lizzy herself is concerned, I can't think of a single derogatory thing to say about her.

She's silly enough to think that she deserves to reign simply because of who her daddy was. The only people more ignorant are her willing subjects.