How did Trudeau Win in 2015?

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This election cycle the public unions, private unions, teachers unions, media unions (incl CBC) and Liberal Special Interests have likely spent $70 Million to demonize and defeat the Harper Government. They saw that it worked in Ontario and its easy money.



Low Information Voters and Pot Heads.
 

Curious Cdn

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Trudeau didn't win in 2015 as much as the Harper Conservatives were fired by the voters. It's not quite the same thing.
 

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He won by making a lot of empty promises. Or lying, if you prefer. Politicians are known for that. Liberals are best at it.
The parents (Liberals) tell the kids (voters), 'go to bed now and when you get up you can eat the nice cake'. When the 'kids' go to sleep the 'parents' eat the cake themselves. When the 'kids' wake up they cry and hate the 'parents' but there's nothing they can do about it; the cake is gone.
 

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He won by making a lot of empty promises. Or lying, if you prefer. Politicians are known for that. Liberals are best at it.
The parents (Liberals) tell the kids (voters), 'go to bed now and when you get up you can eat the nice cake'. When the 'kids' go to sleep the 'parents' eat the cake themselves. When the 'kids' wake up they cry and hate the 'parents' but there's nothing they can do about it; the cake is gone.
brilliant analogy.
 

Curious Cdn

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He won by making a lot of empty promises. Or lying, if you prefer. Politicians are known for that. Liberals are best at it.
The parents (Liberals) tell the kids (voters), 'go to bed now and when you get up you can eat the nice cake'. When the 'kids' go to sleep the 'parents' eat the cake themselves. When the 'kids' wake up they cry and hate the 'parents' but there's nothing they can do about it; the cake is gone.

He won because Harper and his secret inner sanctum was becoming more and more inward and creapy, doing crazy sh1t like generating legislation that was going to suspend parts of our Bill of Rights. Governments wear out. That one wore out. The Conservatives lost the election and the Liberals took power. I don't see a sweeping philosophical change in our country, only in some of the media coverage

What you are saying about excessive promises is probably true in a way but that's not what got them elected.
 

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He won because Harper and his secret inner sanctum was becoming more and more inward and creapy, doing crazy sh1t like generating legislation that was going to suspend parts of our Bill of Rights. Governments wear out. That one wore out. The Conservatives lost the election and the Liberals took power. I don't see a sweeping philosophical change in our country, only in some of the media coverage

He won because Canadians were duped into believing that Harper and his secret inner sanctum was becoming more and more inward and creepy, doing crazy sh!t like generating legislation that was going to suspend parts of our Bill of Rights.

Not sure what inward and creepy actually means, but... I mean I know what they mean, but didn't see any inward or creepy, just a lot of Chicken Little's.

By the way, inward means moving toward the center. Is that creepy?

This election cycle the public unions, private unions, teachers unions, media unions (incl CBC) and Liberal Special Interests have likely spent $70 Million to demonize and defeat the Harper Government. They saw that it worked in Ontario and its easy money.



Low Information Voters and Pot Heads.

Isn't that chick on the left from NCIS?
 

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He won because Canadians were duped into believing that Harper and his secret inner sanctum was becoming more and more inward and creepy, doing crazy sh!t like generating legislation that was going to suspend parts of our Bill of Rights.

Not sure what inward and creepy actually means, but... I mean I know what they mean, but didn't see any inward or creepy, just a lot of Chicken Little's.

By the way, inward means moving toward the center. Is that creepy?



Isn't that chick on the left from NCIS?
No, sorry. I don't buy it. The Conservatives gained and maintained power because Canadians had confidence that they were the best fiscasl managers available. That never came into question during the election and the Conservatives would have been able to continue in power based on their being good fiscal managers. It was Harper's personality, not promises from Justin that turned the tide. I'll bet that if you polled Canadians on the subject today, there would still be apprehension about the fiscal management of government but you would probably find that Canadians are very happy to see Harper's backside. The notion that the Liberals are in power because they're going to legalize pot smoking is just childish.

Anyway, the Canadian Conservative movement is going to have to figure out what is really happening if they want to re-gain power any time soon. They have historically had some difficulty in doing so and here we go, again.

Mature voters are not bought with a laundry of promises and goodies but "smell" can definitely change their minds.


... and no, "inward" means parochial, secretive, making national decisions in private without consultation and that was pretty much all that was left of our democracy. If democratic processes are from the "center" (as opposed to what? Augusto Pinotism?) We need to get back to the center WITH HASTE.
 
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No, sorry. I don't buy it. The Conservatives gained and maintained power becuase Canadians had confidence that they were the best fiscasl managers available. That never came into question during the election and the Conservatives would have been able to continue in power based on their being good fiscal managers. It was Harper's personality, not promises from Justin that turned the tide. I'll bet that if you polled Canadians on the subject today, there would still be apprehension about the fiscal management of government but you would probably find that Canadians are very happy to see Harper's backside. The notion that the Liberals are in power because they're going to legalize pot smoking is just childish.

Anyway, the Canadian Conservative movement is going to have to figure out what is really happening if they want to re-gain power any time soon. They have historically had some difficulty in doing so and here we go, again.

Mature voters are not bought with a laundry of promises and goodies but "smell" can definitely change their minds.

Just about all of what you said is the point I made exactly. The Harper government was ousted by a manufactured lie. The Stop Harper Campaign was orchestrated on fear mongering, nothing more. Another reason they lost was because the NDP literally collapsed in Quebec.

I'll agree that Harper was framed up as the perfect villain and he had the personality of a sea cucumber, but he wasn't even close the villain he was portrayed. Canadian's bought into the propaganda hook line and sinker and now for their naivety they will reap the benefit of that poor judgment.

And as a final thought. If this airhead continues on down the road blowing money like a teenage girl with a Gold Mastercard and ignoring the economy, the Liberals will suffer the same fate as Bob Rae's NDP.

When people start losing their jobs they will come to their senses. The ones who aren't stoned anyway.
 

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Just about all of what you said is the point I made exactly. The Harper government was ousted by a manufactured lie. The Stop Harper Campaign was orchestrated on fear mongering, nothing more. Another reason they lost was because the NDP literally collapsed in Quebec.

I'll agree that Harper was framed up as the perfect villain and he had the personality of a sea cucumber, but he wasn't even close the villain he was portrayed. Canadian's bought into the propaganda hook line and sinker and now for their naivety they will reap the benefit of that poor judgment.

And as a final thought. If this airhead continues on down the road blowing money like a teenage girl with a Gold Mastercard and ignoring the economy, the Liberals will suffer the same fate as Bob Rae's NDP.

When people start losing their jobs they will come to their senses. The ones who aren't stoned anyway.

What bothers me is that the Liberals believe their own propaganda that everyone loves them and want their program and that they plow ahead with all sorts of unsustainable silliness. The percentage of vote that they received does not reflect that sort of mandate but they perceive themselves as the Natural Ruling Party and they will charge ahead with the whole program. If Conservatives want to stop them, they will have to use considerably more care and wisdom that they did the last time than what the Reform Party coup-d'etat represented. The Conservatives are bound to swing right but that is only because they don't understand their market. There is a tendency to use the Republicans as a template here and that is a dreadful error.
 

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What bothers me is that the Liberals believe their own propaganda that everyone loves them and want their program and that they plow ahead with all sorts of unsustainable silliness. The percentage of vote that they received does not reflect that sort of mandate but they perceive themselves as the Natural Ruling Party and they will charge ahead with the whole program. If Conservatives want to stop them, they will have to use considerably more care and wisdom that they did the last time than what the Reform Party coup-d'etat represented. The Conservatives are bound to swing right but that is only because they don't understand their market. There is a tendency to use the Republicans as a template here and that is a dreadful error.


I disagree about the Republican thing as well. Canada's Conservative Party is about as right wing as the US Democrats and that's being extremely generous. As to what you said about the Liberals, they have always had the arrogant belief that they are the natural governing party of Canada and it is with that arrogance that they have always thought they know what's best for Canadians.

One last thing. Canadians are about to get a heavy helping of reality. Our dollar is in the toilet, our oil exports are in the toilet, our real estate market, with the exception of Toronto and Vancouver, is screeching to a halt. All of these things will affect our economy on all levels. This is just the beginning of a recession and it isn't going to get any better any time soon.
 

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First 39% was around where Harper used to be, and if you combine the
figures from all parties that voted against Harper a majority of Canadians
wanted change and they got it.
People from all sectors voted for the opposition parties seniors ethnic
groups and others voted Liberal as well. NO I didn't vote for him but I see
he has the confidence of Canadians right now.
Harper ticked off a lot o f sectors he promised transparent government
we got Duffy.
Yes some promises are hollow as all parties are guilty of that but what
Harper promised and what we got were different things too.
I was very happy he was gone what we have I am not sure yet but its a
damn site better than what we booted from office
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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First 39% was around where Harper used to be, and if you combine the
figures from all parties that voted against Harper a majority of Canadians
wanted change and they got it.
People from all sectors voted for the opposition parties seniors ethnic
groups and others voted Liberal as well. NO I didn't vote for him but I see
he has the confidence of Canadians right now.
Harper ticked off a lot o f sectors he promised transparent government
we got Duffy.
Yes some promises are hollow as all parties are guilty of that but what
Harper promised and what we got were different things too.
I was very happy he was gone what we have I am not sure yet but its a
damn site better than what we booted from office

Thank god he's gone. He was so evil!
 

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greasy prog tactics continued by gerry butts plus #mediaparty.

that's what it is.



next question.