Archbishop of Canterbury: Islamic State is Herod of today

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Christianity faces "elimination" in the Middle East, the region where it began, the Archbishop of Canterbury has warned in his Christmas Day sermon.

The Most Reverend Justin Welby said so-called Islamic State is "igniting a trail of fear, violence, hatred and determined oppression".

He also branded IS as "today's Herods" - a reference to the Biblical king at the time of Jesus's birth.



Archbishop gives warning over IS threat to Christianity

BBC News
25 December 2015


The Most Reverend Justin Welby: "Today's Herods - Isis and their like around the world - propose false apocalypses"

Christianity faces "elimination" in the Middle East, the region where it began, the Archbishop of Canterbury has warned in his Christmas Day sermon.

The Most Reverend Justin Welby said so-called Islamic State is "igniting a trail of fear, violence, hatred and determined oppression".

He also branded IS as "today's Herods" - a reference to the Biblical king at the time of Jesus's birth.

The archbishop delivered his sermon at Canterbury Cathedral.

He said: "Confident that these are the last days, using force and indescribable cruelty, they [IS] seem to welcome all opposition, certain that the warfare unleashed confirms that these are indeed the end times.

"They hate difference, whether it is Muslims who think differently, Yazidis or Christians, and because of them the Christians face elimination in the very region in which Christian faith began.

"This apocalypse is defined by themselves and heralded only by the angel of death."

The archbishop - spiritual leader of the world's 85 million Anglicans - also said that to those who have been, or are being, "dehumanised by the tyranny and cruelty" of IS, then "God's judgment comes as good news, because it promises justice".


The archbishop has also tweeted that God's judgement 'promises justice'

Referring to IS as Isis, he told the congregation: "Today's Herods - Isis and their like - around the world propose false apocalypses.

"But you and I are called this morning to respond in worship and transforming, world-changing obedience, both as individuals and together, to this revelation of the baby that defines God.

"For it is our response to Jesus that defines us."

He has also tweeted: "In our world today extremists talk of coming apocalypse: it's already happened - in newborn Jesus, God radically reimagined the world.

"The apocalypse of Christmas judges every power, reaches every refugee and asks us all how we respond to Jesus, Prince of Peace."


Cardinal Vincent Nichols

Cardinal Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Westminster and the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, used his homily at midnight mass to say in a life shaped by faith in God, there is "absolutely no room at all for gratuitous violence".

He said: "No to all violence against the innocent. Yes to mercy. If we learn those lessons, then our world and our families will be more graceful places... and then, you and I can be protagonists of unarmed goodness."

The archbishop added that he hoped Christians who had been forced to leave their homes in northern Iraq would find some comfort from the Christmas story.

"I think many a Christian who's been driven from their home, who's seen family members killed, who knows of relatives who are in great distress, will draw great comfort from this feast and from the knowledge that their plight is being talked about throughout the world," he said.

Elsewhere, Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis, in his own message for the festive season, will condemn "aggressive secularism that threatens to relegate spirituality and sanctity within our society" as well as the "shameful scourge of hatred and oppression, which remains the most pressing global challenge of our time".


Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, is second only to the Archbishop of Canterbury in the Anglican Communion

The Anglican Archbishop of York visited an open prison in North Yorkshire on Christmas Day to lead morning services. Dr John Sentamu attended Kirklevington Grange Prison, where he told inmates that it is never too late for a fresh start.


Archbishop gives warning over IS threat to Christianity - BBC News
 
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Christianity faces "elimination" in the Middle East, the region where it began, the Archbishop of Canterbury has warned in his Christmas Day sermon.

The Most Reverend Justin Welby said so-called Islamic State is "igniting a trail of fear, violence, hatred and determined oppression".

He also branded IS as "today's Herods" - a reference to the Biblical king at the time of Jesus's birth.



Archbishop gives warning over IS threat to Christianity

BBC News
25 December 2015


The Most Reverend Justin Welby: "Today's Herods - Isis and their like around the world - propose false apocalypses"

Christianity faces "elimination" in the Middle East, the region where it began, the Archbishop of Canterbury has warned in his Christmas Day sermon.

The Most Reverend Justin Welby said so-called Islamic State is "igniting a trail of fear, violence, hatred and determined oppression".

He also branded IS as "today's Herods" - a reference to the Biblical king at the time of Jesus's birth.

The archbishop delivered his sermon at Canterbury Cathedral.

He said: "Confident that these are the last days, using force and indescribable cruelty, they [IS] seem to welcome all opposition, certain that the warfare unleashed confirms that these are indeed the end times.

"They hate difference, whether it is Muslims who think differently, Yazidis or Christians, and because of them the Christians face elimination in the very region in which Christian faith began.

"This apocalypse is defined by themselves and heralded only by the angel of death."

The archbishop - spiritual leader of the world's 85 million Anglicans - also said that to those who have been, or are being, "dehumanised by the tyranny and cruelty" of IS, then "God's judgment comes as good news, because it promises justice".


The archbishop has also tweeted that God's judgement 'promises justice'

Referring to IS as Isis, he told the congregation: "Today's Herods - Isis and their like - around the world propose false apocalypses.

"But you and I are called this morning to respond in worship and transforming, world-changing obedience, both as individuals and together, to this revelation of the baby that defines God.

"For it is our response to Jesus that defines us."

He has also tweeted: "In our world today extremists talk of coming apocalypse: it's already happened - in newborn Jesus, God radically reimagined the world.

"The apocalypse of Christmas judges every power, reaches every refugee and asks us all how we respond to Jesus, Prince of Peace."


Cardinal Vincent Nichols

Cardinal Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Westminster and the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, used his homily at midnight mass to say in a life shaped by faith in God, there is "absolutely no room at all for gratuitous violence".

He said: "No to all violence against the innocent. Yes to mercy. If we learn those lessons, then our world and our families will be more graceful places... and then, you and I can be protagonists of unarmed goodness."

The archbishop added that he hoped Christians who had been forced to leave their homes in northern Iraq would find some comfort from the Christmas story.

"I think many a Christian who's been driven from their home, who's seen family members killed, who knows of relatives who are in great distress, will draw great comfort from this feast and from the knowledge that their plight is being talked about throughout the world," he said.

Elsewhere, Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis, in his own message for the festive season, will condemn "aggressive secularism that threatens to relegate spirituality and sanctity within our society" as well as the "shameful scourge of hatred and oppression, which remains the most pressing global challenge of our time".


Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, is second only to the Archbishop of Canterbury in the Anglican Communion

The Anglican Archbishop of York visited an open prison in North Yorkshire on Christmas Day to lead morning services. Dr John Sentamu attended Kirklevington Grange Prison, where he told inmates that it is never too late for a fresh start.


Archbishop gives warning over IS threat to Christianity - BBC News

In your post, BL you include photos of religious leaders in their crowns and ornamented robes and bearing their scepters. IMHO, true authority is within and not so ostentatious as this.
 

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Clerical garb has a rich symbolism.. it is not intended to be ostentatious but integral to his mission.. to add weight to the traditions and virtues from which a priest's or prelate's authority extends.

Vestments Glossary
 

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It is conclusions like that that show very clearly why the UK should step down from wanting to rule the world. . . . again. An apology for the 1st time should be given also
 

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Clerical garb has a rich symbolism.. it is not intended to be ostentatious but integral to his mission.. to add weight to the traditions and virtues from which a priest's or prelate's authority extends.

Vestments Glossary

A physical description of the incarnate One from whom all priests derive their authority, CS:

"He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him." (Isaiah 53:2 NIV)

In God's sight, the donning of the righteousness of Christ supersedes all earthly and physical vestments.

"The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” (1 Samuel 16:7 NIV)
 

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A physical description of the incarnate One from whom all priests derive their authority, CS:

"He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him." (Isaiah 53:2 NIV)

In God's sight, the donning of the righteousness of Christ supersedes all earthly and physical vestments.

"The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” (1 Samuel 16:7 NIV)

It's certainly true that there are unrighteous priests unworthy to wear the clerical garb.. but that does not detract from the symbolism of ornament.. in garb.. or in Cathedrals and churches.. which is intended for the human audience.. as a reflection of the majesty of God's creation.

Otherwise you get into Catharism or even Puritanism who the view material artifacts as unworthy to represent the divine (viewed as heresy in the RCC.. and even High Anglican). The Cathars believed the material world was created by the Devil.. and only the spiritual world was within the Divine Realm.
 

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The fact is the Russians, Americans, British, French and the rest do not want to
eliminate ISIS they want to fight ISIS. Face it the world is in an economic slow
down and the powers that be know if there is a war there is a prosperity about it.
Without a war or a serious enemy threat there is an economic collapse and the
solution is always war build them up and give them a cause then defeat them
and save the world.
 

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It's certainly true that there are unrighteous priests unworthy to wear the clerical garb.. but that does not detract from the symbolism of ornament.. in garb.. or in Cathedrals and churches.. which is intended for the human audience.. as a reflection of the majesty of God's creation.

Otherwise you get into Catharism or even Puritanism who the view material artifacts as unworthy to represent the divine (viewed as heresy in the RCC.. and even High Anglican). The Cathars believed the material world was created by the Devil.. and only the spiritual world was within the Divine Realm.

You might be surprised to learn that I was raised in catholicism, CS and I am familiar with the associated ceremony and pageantry. I have likewise witnessed or experienced enough clerical unrighteousness in my life to know that physical vestments do not confer righteousness, Christian authority or priesthood on anyone. The priests of God today are robed in the righteousness of Christ:

"As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ ... But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." (1 Peter 2:4-5;9 NIV)

Neither by apostolic succession nor by human ordination, but priests made and maintained by the ministry of the Spirit of God through the finished work of Christ in the lives of all who believe.
 

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Neither by apostolic succession nor by human ordination, but priests made and maintained by the ministry of the Spirit of God through the finished work of Christ in the lives of all who believe.


Nice description of the Catholic Priesthood.
 

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We need to lead a crusade to rid the world of the plague that is Muslims.
 

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We should be taking in Christians and Yazadi's from the Middle East. He is right though non-muslims in the Middle East take it in the ***, and im not talking about mis-identifying some cookies outside the church either.
 

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Nice description of the Catholic Priesthood.

The priesthood of God in Christ is indeed universal (catholic), gh. Genuine Christians the world over and throughout history belong to it.

The Christian priesthood has its origins in the Hebrew Levitical priesthood. OT priests stood as God-ordained mediators between corrupt man and holy God. They continually offered prescribed, substitutionary and atoning animal sacrifices acceptable to God on behalf of sin-alienated people.

The levitical priesthood and sacrificial system looked forward to the final, effectual and atoning sacrifice of the High Priest Jesus Christ. He stands in the gap today between sin-bound man and holy God. Today's priests are those who stand in this gap with Christ, offering the spiritual sacrifices of Christian witness (pointing to Christ in word and deed) and intercessory prayer.

Is this your faith and practice, gh?
 

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no merry x mass signs in Bethlehem
its against the law
Bethlehem bans "Merry Christmas" sign at town's holiday display - Times Union
from a website:
"PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH HAS ISSUED A STATEMENT THAT THERE WILL BE
NO NATIVITY SCENE ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN THIS YEAR.
This is not due to a challange on religious or constitutional grounds.
They ( the administration ) simply have not been able to find three wise men
and a virgin in the nations Capitol.
There was no problem however finding enough asses to fill the stable."
No Nativity Scene on the White House Lawn this year! - Democratic Underground

yep, muslims are definitly the problem
 

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The priesthood of God in Christ is indeed universal (catholic), gh. Genuine Christians the world over and throughout history belong to it.

The Christian priesthood has its origins in the Hebrew Levitical priesthood. OT priests stood as God-ordained mediators between corrupt man and holy God. They continually offered prescribed, substitutionary and atoning animal sacrifices acceptable to God on behalf of sin-alienated people.

The levitical priesthood and sacrificial system looked forward to the final, effectual and atoning sacrifice of the High Priest Jesus Christ. He stands in the gap today between sin-bound man and holy God. Today's priests are those who stand in this gap with Christ, offering the spiritual sacrifices of Christian witness (pointing to Christ in word and deed) and intercessory prayer.

Is this your faith and practice, gh?
That isn't who was put in charge of things, who is Romans:13 talking about?
These verses are about who was left in charge, who does it all point to?

Isa:56:10-12:
His watchmen are blind:
they are all ignorant,
they are all dumb dogs,
they cannot bark;
sleeping,
lying down,
loving to slumber.
Yea,
they are greedy dogs which can never have enough,
and they are shepherds that cannot understand:
they all look to their own way,
every one for his gain,
from his quarter.
Come ye,
say they,
I will fetch wine,
and we will fill ourselves with strong drink;
and to morrow shall be as this day,
and much more abundant.

Jer:25:31-38:
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
Howl,
ye shepherds,
and cry;
and wallow yourselves in the ashes,
ye principal of the flock:
for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished;
and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.
And the shepherds shall have no way to flee,
nor the principal of the flock to escape.
A voice of the cry of the shepherds,
and an howling of the principal of the flock,
shall be heard:
for the LORD hath spoiled their pasture.
And the peaceable habitations are cut down because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
He hath forsaken his covert,
as the lion:
for their land is desolate because of the fierceness of the oppressor,
and because of his fierce anger.

It is the kings of the earth that are punished rather than the Priests. There haven't been any like the Apostles since that last writer of the Bible died. (the false Priests will also die but not because of their leadership flaws, it will be because as individuals they did not qualify based on the relationships defined in the letters to the Churches from the head of all 7 Angels that the letters were sent to.
 

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That isn't who was put in charge of things, who is Romans:13 talking about?
These verses are about who was left in charge, who does it all point to?

Isa:56:10-12

Jer:25:31-38

It is the kings of the earth that are punished rather than the Priests. There haven't been any like the Apostles since that last writer of the Bible died. (the false Priests will also die but not because of their leadership flaws, it will be because as individuals they did not qualify based on the relationships defined in the letters to the Churches from the head of all 7 Angels that the letters were sent to.

I am unclear about what you are attempting to say here, MHz.
 

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An apology for the 1st time should be given also

Feck off. The British Empire was a force of great good in this world and the world was better off under its sway.

We should be taking in Christians and Yazadi's from the Middle East.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has said that we must help those Christians in the Middle East and elsewhere who are being persecuted by the Muzzies. Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.
 

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In your post, BL you include photos of religious leaders in their crowns and ornamented robes and bearing their scepters. IMHO, true authority is within and not so ostentatious as this.

The religious leaders might lead by example in liquidating some of their ornamental assets in order to materially support the persecuted church, BL.