Apocalypse Means Revelation

[Ludlow]

I was baptized at the age of eight in the LDS faith. I sat in a chair and three men put their hands on my head and prayed over me and then I was dunked into the pool. Later on as an adult, age 21 I believe, I was baptized in a Baptist church. What is ironic, is that my bible reading in those times was sporadic and undisciplined. It wasn't until I gave up on religion, that I read the bible cover to cover along with several complimentary books on the subject. In short I've learned more as a heathen than I ever did as a Christian.

Mom and dad had split up then. My mother wanted us to have religion. So she took us to the Mormons.

 

[Motar]

I remember at 3 or 4 being subjected to religious rites but was probably subjected earlier than that (likely baptised as an infant as it seems to be the fad). I was about 10 or 11 when I realized it was not worth pursuing, stopped paying attention, and was exed at 14 (apostasy).

So, no experience of Christ yet?

I was baptized at the age of eight in the LDS faith. I sat in a chair and three men put their hands on my head and prayed over me and then I was dunked into the pool. Later on as an adult, age 21 I believe, I was baptized in a Baptist church. What is ironic, is that my bible reading in those times was sporadic and undisciplined. It wasn't until I gave up on religion, that I read the bible cover to cover along with several complimentary books on the subject. In short I've learned more as a heathen than I ever did as a Christian.

Mom and dad had split up then. My mother wanted us to have religion. So she took us to the Mormons.

There is no "did" in Christian, LL.

 

[Motar]

There is no "did" in Christian, LL.

"As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, 'I will follow you wherever you go.' Jesus replied, 'Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.' He said to another man, 'Follow me.' But he replied, 'Lord, first let me go and bury my father.' Jesus said to him, 'Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.' Still another said, 'I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.' Jesus replied, 'No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:57-62 NIV)

 

[Ludlow]

This is one of the main reasons I'm not in this religion. The habit of trying to instill guilt,,,and fear in those who don't bend to their will. You drive away those you are trying to include. Finished here.

 

[Motar]

This is one of the main reasons I'm not in this religion. The habit of trying to instill guilt,,,and fear in those who don't bend to their will. You drive away those you are trying to include. Finished here.

I am saddened to hear that these words of Jesus' instill guilt and fear in you, LL. They are words of encouragement to me. The double-edged sword of Scripture is like that.

 

[MHz]

A failed revolution is never a happy event from the perspective of the losers.
Perhaps one of you is paying attention to the vials from Re:16 and the other one is listening to names being read out of the book of life. Since they both happen the same day there could be a few crossed wires on how that can come about as both are major events all by themselves.

 

[Ludlow]

I am saddened to hear that these words of Jesus' instill guilt and fear in you, LL. They are words of encouragement to me. The double-edged sword of Scripture is like that.

I have no problem with Jesus. Only those who claim to follow him.

But then, Jesus was not a Christian.

 

[MHz]

This is one of the main reasons I'm not in this religion. The habit of trying to instill guilt,,,and fear in those who don't bend to their will. You drive away those you are trying to include. Finished here.

'So she took us to the Mormons', perhaps the Mormon version is more controlling than the book calls for. If it 'looks restrictive' perhaps that is window dressing to entice strangers to keep moving.

But then, Jesus was not a Christian.

Is that because His messages were just to the Jews? Technically the message to the Gentiles didn't start until 3 1/2 years after the cross. When Peter opened the door for Gentiles in Acts:10 it was the NT that was being taught rather than the OT. Paul's letters are the same topics Peter would have talked about.

 

[Ludlow]

'So she took us to the Mormons', perhaps the Mormon version is more controlling than the book calls for. If it 'looks restrictive' perhaps that is window dressing to entice strangers to keep moving.


Is that because His messages were just to the Jews? Technically the message to the Gentiles didn't start until 3 1/2 years after the cross. When Peter opened the door for Gentiles in Acts:10 it was the NT that was being taught rather than the OT. Paul's letters are the same topics Peter would have talked about.

yeah

 

[MHz]

Is that where your version of two Satans came from?

 

[Ludlow]

Here's one I can end this with. ' let your conversations be a simple yes, or no . Anything else comes of evil. " I should take that advise myself as well.

 

[MHz]

Okay, . . . so was that a 'yes' or a 'no'?

 

[Motar]

The apocalypse of God has been taking place throughout human history and is recorded in the Biblical record. The centerpiece of this revelation is Jesus Christ and His relationships with Israel, the Church, and the inhabitants of the earth.

The culmination of this unveiling is recorded in the book of Revelation. It is orderly and timely in keeping with the character of God. The main aim of the apocalypse is restoration. God's creation and His reputation are slated for renewal.

This renovation begins with the family of God. In Revelation 1-3, Jesus Christ is in view as He evaluates the Church, approving and reproving in accordance with His vision and empowerment for His Body.

The revival continues with the inhabitants of the earth. In Revelation 4-6, the Lamb of God is in view as He authorizes the removal of restraint on the corruption of mankind. This unparalleled separation from God releases global conquest, conflict, famine, disease and death. An unprecedented ingathering of souls ensues.

 

[Ludlow]

Okay, . . . so was that a 'yes' or a 'no'?

maybe

not a whole lot of difference between this and ole selfsame's stuff other than selfsame does seem to have some sense of humor about him. some,,not much. Robots playing the role. Frustrating it's like calling your insurance company and talking with a damn computer. It's down right inhuman.

 

[Motar]

I have no problem with Jesus. Only those who claim to follow him. But then, Jesus was not a Christian.

What is a Christian, LL? (What does the term "Christian" mean? When and where did this term originate?) Biblically speaking, the term Christian appears first in Acts 11:26.

 

[AnnaG]

Acts 11:26 "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." - KJV

Christian (noun, adj.) 16c., forms replacing earlier Christen, from Old English cristen (noun and adjective), from a West Germanic borrowing of Church Latin christianus, from Ecclesiastical Greek christianos, from Christos (see Christ). First used in Antioch, according to Acts xi:25-26. Christian Science as the name of a religious sect is from 1863.

Christianity (noun) c. 1300, cristente, "Christians as a whole; state of being a Christian," from Old French crestienté "Christendom; spiritual authority; baptism" (Modern French chrétienté), from Church Latin christianitatem (nominative christianitas), noun of state from christianus (see Christian). Gradually respelled to conform with Latin. Christendom is the older word for it. Old English also had cristennes.
- From the online etymology dictionary.

A Christian is a follower of Christ (and presumably Christ's teachings). It is not a hard question.

 

[Motar]

Acts 11:26 "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." - KJV

Christian (noun, adj.) 16c., forms replacing earlier Christen, from Old English cristen (noun and adjective), from a West Germanic borrowing of Church Latin christianus, from Ecclesiastical Greek christianos, from Christos (see Christ). First used in Antioch, according to Acts xi:25-26. Christian Science as the name of a religious sect is from 1863.

Christianity (noun) c. 1300, cristente, "Christians as a whole; state of being a Christian," from Old French crestienté "Christendom; spiritual authority; baptism" (Modern French chrétienté), from Church Latin christianitatem (nominative christianitas), noun of state from christianus (see Christian). Gradually respelled to conform with Latin. Christendom is the older word for it. Old English also had cristennes.
- From the online etymology dictionary.

A Christian is a follower of Christ (and presumably Christ's teachings). It is not a hard question.

Agree, AG. It is an easily defined term. The defining question: "Is Jesus the Christ?" How we answer this question determines our Christianity.

 

[Ludlow]

[QUOTE= (and presumably Christ's teachings)

 

[AnnaG]

I follow reason, science, and my intuition and emotions. I do not need anything else and do not want to lead. Hubby seems to be the same, so we walk beside each other; neither leaders nor followers are we, not even to our kids, who have their own minds. This family shares. =)

 

[Ludlow]

I follow reason, science, and my intuition and emotions. I do not need anything else and do not want to lead. Hubby seems to be the same, so we walk beside each other; neither leaders nor followers are we, not even to our kids, who have their own minds. This family shares. =)

Just seems to me that anyone who did claim to follow the man, would not "forsake' a lot of the things he tried to teach the Jewish folks.