Stephen Harper to join Brad Wall in call for Senate abolition on Friday

tay

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Re: Harper following Mulcair's lead on abolishing Senate

Just following up on the Cons promise to reform the Senate which was previously blocked by the Libs and the Dippers.





Is it safe to assume Dippers = NDP in your world?


Of course we won't let facts get in the way..........








Tom Mulcair advocated Stephen Harper not fill any Senate vacancies in 2014 as a means of slow abolition - Experts at the time warned the plan might be unconstitutional








http://m.cbc.ca/news/politics/is-stephen-harper-obliged-to-fill-empty-senate-seats-1.2701619






This twitter thing is odd........






https://twitter.com/ThomasMulcair/status/624619212045029381?s=09
















www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jW3VHAzhw
 

tay

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Let's remember that the last time Stephen Harper broke his promise not to appoint unelected Senators, his rationale had nothing at all to do with the passage of legislation.




Instead, it arose in response to the prospect of a coalition government winning power - and Harper's explanation (link is external) was that if any party was going to appoint cronies and bagmen to publicly-funded sinecures, it would be his own.












Between Stephen Harper's combination of broken promises and ongoing scandals, I'm rather shocked that anybody thought the Senate would be anything but a political liability for the Cons. But let's highlight what's worth taking away from an announcement which came nowhere close to living up to its billing.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he refuses to name any senators until the Senate is reformed, adding he hopes it will put pressure on the provinces to figure out a plan to update the institution.
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The policy will remain in place as long as the government can pass its legislation, the prime minister said.




Of course, the Cons have a majority in the Senate and will for some time no matter what happens. As a result, they face no risk at all in their ability to pass legislation in the foreseeable future.

But the more general principle that the Senate shouldn't interfere with the passage of government legislation is rather more important given the prospect of a new government facing Con obstruction.

So between now and election day, it's worth pressing Harper, his party, and particularly their unelected non-representatives on their willingness to apply the same rule no matter who forms government. And if the result is a consensus that the Senate won't interfere with the will of the electorate, that should make for an important step in placing decision-making authority where it belongs.






In that respect, Campbell Clark's discussion (link is external) of the difference between Harper's new announcement and the position the federal government has taken in Aniz Alani's lawsuit (link is external) seeking to require the appointment of Senators might be of particular interest:




In that case at the Federal Court, the government has been filing materials to back up an argument that Mr. Harper is delaying appointments, not refusing them.


They include an affidavit from McGill political science professor Christopher Manfredi, who declared that there’s no constitutional convention that dictates how much time PMs have to appoint senators, and they can take their time. But refusing to appoint senators?

“Certainly, at some stage, senators have to be appointed,” Federal Court Justice Sean Harrington wrote in May, when he rejected the government’s motion to dismiss Mr. Alani’s case. He noted that if there were less than 15 senators, the required number for quorum in the chamber, Parliament could not function. (Mr. Alani argues the Constitution requires Mr. Harper to appoint senators, and refusing to do so defeats constitutional provisions guaranteeing levels of representation to provinces.)

He also wrote this: “I know of no law which provides that one may not do what one is otherwise obliged to do simply because it would be embarrassing.”

But government lawyers told the court, in a letter dated June 15, that there was never any decision made by the Prime Minister to leave Senate seats vacant. The letter was sent as part of the court process: Mr. Alani had asked for copies of all the materials the PM used to make the decision to leave Senate seats vacant, and government lawyer Jan Brongers replied that there were no materials, because there was no such decision.Harper's new announcement surely changes the factual landscape underlying Alani's application.


And it's worth wondering whether Harper's plan might open the door to his being provided with an excuse to make appointments in advance of the election.

 

damngrumpy

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Reformers wanted and want an elected Senate not abolish it
The NDP has called for putting an end to the hall of patronage.
There are no NDP members of the upper chamber a few have
been offered the position but have refused.
When done with the Senate I hope they take a look at the
Governor General that should go too.
 

grumpydigger

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Harpo will say or do, whatever it takes to get reelected.
He's betting on the fact, that Canadians has short-term memory loss.....

Considering the bulk of his conservative appointees to the Senate are under investigation standing on a soapbox and saying he wants to Abolish it is pretty safe.

Remember heave Steve, save Canada.
 

JLM

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Reformers wanted and want an elected Senate not abolish it
The NDP has called for putting an end to the hall of patronage.
There are no NDP members of the upper chamber a few have
been offered the position but have refused.
When done with the Senate I hope they take a look at the
Governor General that should go too.

I doubt if the G.G. will go anytime soon. He actually has an important role .........................head honcho for activities non political, also he's necessary to call an election!

Harpo will say or do, whatever it takes to get reelected.
.

Has there ever been a P.M. who hasn't?