10 things you (probably) didn’t know about Henry V and the Battle of Agincourt

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All of england's jesters, bards, and fools were tasked and commissioned the cowardly king.... and the people were commanded to rejoice from their squalor and filth they were forced to called home.

You must admit that the English distinguished themselves at the conclusion of the Battle of Culloden with their treatment of the wounded Scots.
 

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And you learn your "history" from a fictional, historically-inaccurate Hollywood film?

You must admit that the English distinguished themselves at the conclusion of the Battle of Culloden with their treatment of the wounded Scots.


The Battle of Culloden wasn't a battle between the English and the Scots. It took place in 1746, 39 years after the Kingdom of England (modern England & Wales) unified with the Kingdom of Scotland to form the new Kingdom of Great Britain.

The Battle of Culloden was a battle between the British and the Jacobites (and their French allies). There were, of course, Scots fighting in the British Army and there were Englishmen fighting for the Jacobites (from the Manchester Regiment).
 

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And you learn your "history" from a fictional, historically-inaccurate Hollywood film?




The Battle of Culloden wasn't a battle between the English and the Scots. It took place in 1746, 39 years after the Kingdom of England (modern England & Wales) unified with the Kingdom of Scotland to form the new Kingdom of Great Britain.

The Battle of Culloden was a battle between the British and the Jacobites (and their French allies). There were, of course, Scots fighting in the British Army and there were Englishmen fighting for the Jacobites (from the Manchester Regiment).

The Jacobite soldiers were mostly Scots, with a regiment of English thrown in.
 

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The Jacobite soldiers were mostly Scots, with a regiment of English thrown in.


It wasn't a battle between the English and the Scots. Both countries had been unified for almost 40 years at that point and there was now no English and Scottish armies. Both had merged to form the British Army. It was a battle between the British Army and the Jacobites, and the Jacobites were the bad guys.

The last battle between the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland (both of which ceased to exist in 1707) was the Raid of the Redeswire, a border skirmish which took place at Carter Bar, a pass in the Cheviot Hills which enters Redesdale, on 7th July 1575.


The Redeswire Stone marks the area where the last battle between the English and the Scots took place on the English side of the Anglo-Scottish border
 

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It was a battle between an English army of the Hanovers

No. It was the BRITISH Army. The English Army ceased to exist in 1707 when England herself ceased to be an independent state. Culloden was NOT a battle between the English and the Scots. The last battle between the English and the Scots was the 1575 Raid of the Redeswire.

Raid of the Redeswire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and a rebel army composed mostly of Scots intent on restoring the Stuarts.
Charles Stuart's Jacobite army (the baddies) consisted largely of Scottish Highlanders, as well as a number of Lowland Scots and a small detachment of Englishmen from the Manchester Regiment. The Jacobites were supported and supplied by the Kingdom of France from Irish and Scots units in the French service. A composite battalion of infantry ("Irish Picquets") comprising detachments from each of the regiments of the Irish Brigade plus one squadron of Irish cavalry in the French army served at the battle alongside the regiment of Royal Scots (Royal Ecossais) raised the previous year to support the Stuart claim.

So it was not an actual Scottish Army. Such a thing ceased to exist in 1707, when the British Army was formed with the merger of the Scottish and English armies. Not only that, but this army garnered little support in Scotland. Most Scots detested the idea that Scots in that Jacobite army were being sacrificed for French advantage in Europe.

The Battle of Culloden was not a battle between the English and the Scots. It was a battle between the British and the Jacobites, along with their perennial troublemaking Frog allies. Large numbers of Scots fought in the British Army side while the Jacobite army included French units and some English Jacobites.

Of the 16 British Army infantry battalions which fought at Culloden against the Jacobites, a quarter of them were Scottish.

 
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With no disrespect for Hank Cinq or Agincourt, what makes this piece of historical trivia so important that we should even know one thing about it let alone 10, especially when there are more important things like George W. crossing the Potomac?
 

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I think the painting says it all don't you think mon ami?

The painting just shows what happened on the day, which was a battle between the British Army and the Jacobites, not a battle between the English and the Scots.

I'll repeat: the Kingdom of Great Britain was formed in 1707, when the Kingdom of England unified with the Kingdom of Scotland. As a result, the Scottish and English armies also merged to form the new British Army. The English and the Scots did not fight each other at Culloden. It was a battle between the British Army (with a quarter of the British Army's 16 infantry battalions at the battle being Scottish) and the Jacobites, which were a motley crew of Scots, English, Irish and French which garnered little support in Scotland (especially the lowland areas).

The last battle between the English and the Scots occurred in 1575 - Raid of the Redeswire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's all there in the history books. Try reading about the Battle of Culloden before commenting on it.

 

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The painting just shows what happened on the day, which was a battle between the British Army and the Jacobites, not a battle between the English and the Scots.

I'll repeat: the Kingdom of Great Britain was formed in 1707, when the Kingdom of England unified with the Kingdom of Scotland. As a result, the Scottish and English armies also merged to form the new British Army. The English and the Scots did not fight each other at Culloden. It was a battle between the British Army (with a quarter of the British Army's 16 infantry battalions at the battle being Scottish) and the Jacobites, which were a motley crew of Scots, English, Irish and French which garnered little support in Scotland (especially the lowland areas).

The last battle between the English and the Scots occurred in 1575 - Raid of the Redeswire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's all there in the history books. Try reading about the Battle of Culloden before commenting on it.


English vs. Scots.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out WHY in 2015 anyone would give a rat's $ss about Hank Cinq and Agincourt. Do you hear Canadians incessantly yapping about Wolfe and Montcalm on the Plains of Abraham?
 

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English vs. Scots on the battlefield.


A quarter of the infantry battalions in the British Army at Culloden were Scottish and there were Ulstermen, Hessians and Austrians in the British Army.

Amongst the Jacobites were Scots, English, Irish and French.

It was not England vs Scotland. It was Great Britain vs the Jacobites.