No survivors in crash of Germanwings jet carrying 150; black box recovered

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Should know more later today.

Germanwings Flight 9525 Alps crash probe takes police to homes of co-pilot Andreas Lubitz | CTV News




Should someone with a medical history consisting of serious depression be given the green light to fly a commercial airplane? Other medical conditions would exempt him, why not this?

It's definitely something to be looked at, but to my knowledge, this is the first time something like this has ever happened.

There was a swift response to this worldwide, and many governments (including ours) now require two passengers on deck at all times.

Whether that's sufficient is up to debate.

I think it's a good countermeasure, myself.

Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot, had 'serious depressive episode:' report

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/andr...d-serious-depressive-episode-report-1.3011724
 

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It's definitely something to be looked at, but to my knowledge, this is the first time something like this has ever happened.

There was a swift response to this worldwide, and many governments (including ours) now require two passengers on deck at all times.

Whether that's sufficient is up to debate.

I think it's a good countermeasure, myself.

Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot, had 'serious depressive episode:' report

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/andr...d-serious-depressive-episode-report-1.3011724

I'd prefer pilots to passengers, lol, but I'll assume that's what you meant.

Just reading the Transport Canada guidelines on medical certification for pilots, specifically with regards to psychiatric illness.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/publications/tp13312-2-psychiatry-menu-2187.htm

I don't know the standards of the German Aviation Authority but I doubt it would be much different. I have a feeling this guys medical reports are going to be scrutinized heavily in the foreseeable future and the restrictions may even tighten up more.

Evidence co-pilot hid illness: German prosecutors

Frank Jordans and David McHugh, The Associated Press
Published Friday, March 27, 2015 5:58AM EDT
Last Updated Friday, March 27, 2015 8:13AM EDT
MONTABAUR, Germany -- Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz appears to have hidden evidence of an illness from his employers, including having been excused by a doctor from work the day he crashed a passenger plane into a mountain, prosecutors said Friday.
The evidence came from the search of Lubitz's homes in two German cities for an explanation of why he crashed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps, killing all 150 people on board.
Prosecutor's spokesman Ralf Herrenbrueck said in a written statement that torn-up sick notes for the day of the crash "support the current preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and colleagues."
Such sick notes from doctors excusing employees from work are common in Germany and issued even for minor illnesses. Herrenbrueck didn't reveal details of what illness Lubitz was suffering from.
Herrenbrueck said other medical documents found indicated "an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment," but that no suicide note was found. He added there was no indication of any political or religious motivation for Lubitz's actions.
Germanwings, a subsidiary of Lufthansa, refused to comment on the new information.


More: Evidence Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz hid illness, but no suicide note found: German prosecutors | CTV News
 

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Yep.

I think they get physical exams regularly, but some kind of psyc assessment should take place as well.

Maybe once a year?

I'm not sure what an appropriate time frame would be, but I think it would be prudent to periodically assess pilots, enough to make a serviceable attempt to avoid something like this in the future.

This may be already addressed in the link you provided but I haven't had a chance to go through it all.

The tragic part about these issues is that they may be unavoidable no matter what preventative measures we take.
 

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Do you really think people with mental health issues will happily divulge?

No but then neither will someone with any other medical issue if they think they're "just fine". I know with driver's licenses here, a doctor is obligated to inform the Ministry if a medical condition makes driving a car a potential danger, I cannot imagine there wouldn't (or shouldn't) be similar processes in place for airline pilots.
 

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Do you really think people with mental health issues will happily divulge?

Not at all.

They usually fear for losing their job.


That's why they should have regular assessments - which they may have already, based on SLM's link.

You're my favorite.

 

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No but then neither will someone with any other medical issue if they think they're "just fine". I know with driver's licenses here, a doctor is obligated to inform the Ministry if a medical condition makes driving a car a potential danger, I cannot imagine there wouldn't (or shouldn't) be similar processes in place for airline pilots.

Only the obviously loopy will be filtered.
 

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First time I've seen pics of Blackleaf and Boomer together.

What a cute couple.
 

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Well yes, I would assume the fat American was Boomer.

Oh by the way Blackleaf, this is for you:



It's been halalified for you.


Enjoy!
 

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No, I'm only joking. It's not me. No photograph of me has ever been taken since I was a kid.

As for halal meat, it should be banned from Great Britain.