Wynne hits new political low in Sudbury antics

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A friend, a diehard Liberal, has two beliefs about politics today.

The first is that it is difficult to use the word “honourable” before politicians’ names because there is so little of it among them. The second is that Canadian political parties have so lost their way while appealing to the common denominator, it’s impossible to distinguish their core values. Both those opinions played out in Sudbury this month.

What should have been a sleepy byelection set off a provincial and national firestorm because of backroom wheeling and dealing we suspected went on, but of which we now have proof.

Former Sudbury Liberal candidate Andrew Olivier was intending to seek his party’s nomination to run in a byelection to replace New Democrat MPP Joe Cimino. The former city councillor stunned us last month by resigning 5½ months into a four-year term.
On Dec. 15, Olivier revealed he wouldn’t be seeking the nod after being asked not to by three members of the Liberal brass. He didn’t do it quietly.

A man he called a Liberal “king-maker” first asked Olivier to withdraw so a “choice” candidate could be appointed. Premier Kathleen Wynne then called, asking him to step aside. A key aide to Wynne did the same.

Olivier says there were suggestions he should ask for a job or political appointment quid pro quo. All three prominent Liberals deny it. They say they told Olivier if he remained a good Liberal, he could have a bright future with the party.

The real bombshell came the next day when Sudbury New Democrat MP Glenn Thibeault announced Wynne had appointed him the Liberal candidate in that byelection. Wynne told the Sudbury Star that “electoral urgency” — the need to get the best possible candidate appointed quickly — prompted her to bypass the democratic process of a nomination meeting. Only a small cadre of people knew the appointment was coming.

So secret was Thibeault’s defection, he didn’t hint of it to Tom Mulcair when the federal NDP leader called him two days earlier to discuss strategy in 2015. Mulcair would hear about Thibeault’s defection in an e-mail after a Toronto newspaper broke the story.
Wynne came to Sudbury on Friday to sell her new candidate to the people and try to smooth the waters with a riding association executive who resigned for being kept out of the loop. Wynne said the executive will stay on until Thibeault is elected. The association president says they will only remain until Thibeault has his “team” in place after an annual general meeting.

Thibeault admitted Friday politics is a blood sport, that he was doing the best for his community and family, and spoke of how difficult his decision has been. Wynne backed her star candidate on that. Never once did Thibeault apologize to people who felt betrayed, nor did Wynne really. History is rife with politicians who have crossed the floor or left one level of government for another, seldom while sitting members though.

When asked if appointing Thibeault was so important it justified upsetting so many people, Wynne said yes. It “obviously” wasn’t her intent to hurt them, but it was vital a candidate with Thibeault’s strengths be appointed. There was the suggestion Liberal members wouldn’t have got it right had they been left to choose.

The premier now wants us all to hold hands, sing Kumbaya and get on with the important work of getting Thibeault elected. She insists no cabinet position was promised Thibeault, nor did he ask for one.

One would like to accept the premier at her word. But if we’ve all learned one thing in the last two weeks, it’s that in politics, people might not be lying, but it doesn’t mean they’re telling the truth.


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lone wolf

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Olivier, parapalegic since hitting the boards in a hockey game, champions for the disabled. I wonder if that's why he was asked to step aside. There have been suggestions locally he'll run as an independent
 

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AOlivier says there were suggestions he should ask for a job or political appointment quid pro quo. All three prominent Liberals deny it. They say they told Olivier if he remained a good Liberal, he could have a bright future with the party.

Think that ship has sailed.
 

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Yea they screwed with him pretty bad. You guys should see the corruption that goes on in ol'scuzbury... Our city is going to hell in a hand basket thanks to our "fine" city council. lol
 

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I am not going to defend any of them here let me make that clear. As for crossing the floor
its part of the parliamentary tradition that is older than any of us an no a member should
not have to re-run as another party candidate until the next election. This is where the
parliamentary system is different from that of a Republic and I see nothing wrong with it.
Wynne who decided on expediency over substance likely acted within the constraints of a
parliamentary system. Is is pleasant looking no, is is legal? The answer is I don't know.
For those who cry against the democratic process, this is in the mind of perception and not
always entrenched in law.
Our respect for politicians or lack of it in many cases is more the general publics fault than
that of the politicians, For some reason we expect the satisfaction level of every single
constituent has to me met. I say nonsense. I don't care if someone is Tory, Liberal Green
or New Democrat they are not going to make people happy all the time.
It is said over and over they are responsible to the constituents first. No according to the
law of the land they are responsible to the Nation first. And our collective impressions go
down hill from there. Politicians are about working together to have the laws of the land
fair to all and laws that can be enforced. The problem with politicians is they often write new
laws to overcome the difficulty of enforcing the laws already available. Its a two way street
if we want the politicians to be honorable and respectful collectively we have to start being
respectful and honorable as a public. If we are going to proportion blame it should start with
a look in the mirror first
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Nobody, regardless of Party should be allowed to cross the floor. Screw Parliamentary tradition. It is a betrayal of voter confidence.
 

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Yea they screwed with him pretty bad. You guys should see the corruption that goes on in ol'scuzbury... Our city is going to hell in a hand basket thanks to our "fine" city council. lol

Hey!... Sudz got Sunday and 24 hour shopping now - one of those things the outgoing mayor wanted but crashed by the "old boys club" - a week after the new guy got in....

Wynne's gonna have to twist better than a bit...

Nobody, regardless of Party should be allowed to cross the floor. Screw Parliamentary tradition. It is a betrayal of voter confidence.

Thiebault was Federal - NDP. He's stepping down and going for the Wynne - Provincial

...;-) He's also got time enough in for that MP pension plan....
 

damngrumpy

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Its politics and when you think about it the people extract their measure in the
end anyway. Parliamentary tradition in this sense of the word is the rule of law.
Originally it was because the government in power was out of control and those
who exercised their right to cross were holding the government in repudiation.
That I agree with but in this day in age it has been used for other purposes and
the tradition has not changed the rules therefore its within the guidelines of the
law. Its not about personal judgements its whether its a legal act or not there
are lots of things done I don't agree with either but such is life. For one I would
never vote a second time for someone who crossed the floor in that I agree with
you Soldier