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[MHz]

Good way to install some plants that get to train from the safety of Turkey. (your mission has changed boys)
Reporters being taken captive for years (let alone twice) is pretty much a blown deal, the next step is the FBI sting where their pros are running an operation that sweeps up a few wild eyed kids and they take a fall and the Gov get a new war. (or something similar) What else are they to do, the rebels would see that as being 'punished by the great satan' so they get trusted a bit and then they use their 'British contacts' to supply 'items' and by doing that they can design how the fights go in Syria nd Iraq. Is the map below covering that 350 mile wide stretch of Syria that the US wants to have a no-fly zone that would protect ISIS on the grounds and you need air and ground to win the war, without both is is endless battles. The other option is they are put on a list of who is to be assassinated before they start showing up on America AM of some human right takes the UK to the UN Court system. (when they have the bite to go with the bark)

And what of those born here? You cant strip those people of citizenship. Or the people who have been here for generations. Im from Timmins, the guy who left there to fight in Syria was born here and his family were french Canadian and had been here for quite a long time. This is something theoretically anyone can join. Where do you deport people who were born here and have been here for generations?

Apparently you can. If that is the rule then why are the names of the ones that go and fight for the side we support not listed so they can have parades or whatever honors with doing a good deed these days.

Get a few old freighters and go recycle plastic in the doldrums of the Pacific, with broadband and you would get more than a few ditching the homeland. The homeland can buy the plastic and try that relationship, I would suggest the name of 'Little Australia' but that might be racist against the old UK gov. Doh, so I wont mention it would be like the beginnings of the old Australia. (showing a'trick' recently given exposure in 'how to fuk with people's minds 101')

 

[Twila]

Then include the ones who say something should be done to fix the area and the 'right side' can 'get er' done'. 6 decades and counting??? not real speedy for the 'bestest, fastest people on the planet'.

Sorry, I'm not understanding what your alluding to. Would you clarify?

 

[captain morgan]

Apparently you can. If that is the rule then why are the names of the ones that go and fight for the side we support not listed so they can have parades or whatever honors with doing a good deed these days.

The 'one's that go and fight for our side' are asked to do so by the nation's gvt..... That fact, alone means that their actions are not treasonous

 

[WLDB]

The 'one's that go and fight for our side' are asked to do so by the nation's gvt..... That fact, alone means that their actions are not treasonous

And if a person is stripped of citizenship anything they do can not be considered treasonous. They have to be citizens for that to happen. Even those convicted of treason do remain citizens.

 

[captain morgan]

Even those convicted of treason do remain citizens.

Exactly... And the consequence for such is a legnthy term in prison.

On the other hand, the inability to return to the nation where they have been stripped of citizenship still acts as a security measure for a nation by virtue of keeping that person (physically) away from society

 

[MHz]

Sorry, I'm not understanding what your alluding to. Would you clarify?

If the ones that want to fight for ISIS and leave the country to do so are 'exiled' then it only stands to reason that the ones that go and fight for the good side get to educate the public on what the differnce is, talk-shows and such would be method I would like to see done as I think it would show off the hiprocracy the best.

This example might help us both get some clarity. If drone operation was seen as a noble thing there would be enough different story possibilities that a series could be written that would cover years of stories. Unfortunately death is associated with drone (and rightly so) so really when you see one group of innocents fired on that would be all you need for the whole season. If the experiences of the 'rebels' in why they changed their minds would it help or hinder recruitment for ISIS from members of the UK. Would Arab nationalists that are the leaders in ISIS want any Brits there in the first place as anything but a captive?

In the 'conspiracy realm' the not coming back would be the 'cover story' and them going in the first place was with the okay of the Queen herself. Making up would be that they act as spies for her by staying in Turkey where they manage to start an import/export/trucking business. How much time before you could tell if the story was true or not, 6 months, a year?

 

[EagleSmack]

First let them leave then revoke the passport so they cannot return.

Excellent step.

 

[Blackleaf]

British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has warned British terrorists fighting for ISIS in Iraq and Syria that they could be tried for high treason.

The crime of high treason was introduced way back in 1351 and carried the death penalty until 1998, when the soppy "Yuman Rites" Act came along. Nowadays it'll probably mean anyone being found guilty of the crime would be imprisoned for the rest of their natural life with no chance of parole, a sentence which replaces the death penalty.

The last person in Britain to be executed for high treason was Irish-American Nazi sympathiser William Joyce - known as Lord Haw-Haw - who is remembered for his propaganda broadcasts that opened with "Jairmany calling, Jairmany calling", spoken in an unintentionally comic upper-class accent. He was hanged at Wandsworth Prison by renowned hangman Albert Pierrepoint on 3rd January 1946.

Mr Hammond also confirmed that the RAF will soon be sending Reaper drones to take part in the campaign against ISIS in Iraq.

British terrorists fighting for ISIS in Iraq and Syria could be tried for 'high treason' reveals Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond

By Tom McTague, Deputy Political Editor for MailOnline
16 October 2014
Daily Mail

Hammond said ministers discussed trying returning jihadists for treachery
'High treason' introduced in 1351 and carried the death penalty until 1998
Last person prosecuted for treason was Nazi propagandist William Joyce
'Lord Haw-Haw' was found in Germany after the war and hung for treason

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British extremists who declare allegiance to ISIS could be prosecuted for treason, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond revealed today.

Mr Hammond said the Government had discussed the possibility of trying returning jihadists for treachery after being pressed by Tory backbenchers today.

The crime of 'high treason' was first introduced in 1351 and carried the death penalty until the introduction of human rights laws in 1998. Anyone convicted of the crime today would face life behind bars.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said the Government had discussed trying ISIS fighters for treason

Mr Hammond's revelation came during a Commons debate over Iraq and Syria today.

The Conservative backbench MP Philip Hollobone (Kettering) said British citizens fighting for ISIS should be prosecuted under the ancient charge which has not been used since 1946.

He said: 'Aiding and abetting enemies of Her Majesty is one of the greatest offences a British citizen can commit.' Mr Hollobone said the offence amounted to 'treachery'.

Mr Hammond said some of the jihadists' actions brought up 'questions' about whether treason could be used.

He added: 'There are a number of offences under English law with which returning foreign fighters can be charged. We have had a discussion about the allegiance question.

'We've seen situations of people declaring that they have sworn personal allegiance to the so-called Islamic State and that does raise questions about their loyalty and allegiance to this country and raises, as my Honourable Friend rightly says, questions about whether offences of treason could have been committed.'

Jihadist Abu Abdullah al-Britani ("the Briton") (right) - speaking in a southern English accent - appeared in a video today in which he said ISIS fighters were looking forward to slaughtering any Western ground troops sent to the region

Ibrahim Kamara, 19, also known as Khalil al-Britani, from Brighton, was reportedly killed in U.S. air strikes


In a statement to MPs, the Foreign Secretary said Britain was making a valuable contribution to direct attacks and sophisticated surveillance.

He confirmed to MPs that the Royal Air Force campaign would soon include Reaper drones being re-deployed from Afghanistan.

But Labour said the Government seemed to be 'somewhat complacent' about the military campaign in Iraq after Islamic State forces attacked within 15 miles of Baghdad's international airport.

The Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander raised questions about Philip Hammond's claim that the international coalition had helped contribute to a 'stabilisation' of the battlefield in northern Iraq after Britain joined the campaign against IS, also known as Isil or Isis, last month.

Mr Alexander said: 'Our view is that the severity of the threat that Isil poses is not yet matched by the effectiveness of the national, regional or international response.

'I certainly welcome the optimism of your statement after your visit to Iraq. But the risks remain very real and we remain concerned that recent weeks have seen more setbacks than progress on the ground.'

But Mr Hammond said: 'There will be tactical ebb and flow but the coalition air campaign has stabilised the strategic picture and the assessment of our experts is Baghdad is not at immediate danger.'

The Foreign Secretary's statement came after he visited Iraq earlier this week.

He told MPs it was accepted in Baghdad this was the 'last chance' for Iraq as a state, with new prime minister Haider al-Abadi tasked with building an inclusive administration aimed at healing deep sectarian wounds in the country.

Mr Hammond said: 'The scale and unity of the international response to Isil is impressive. It involves Muslim countries of the region and the wider international community - the UK is proud to play its part.

'We are under no illusion as to the severity of this challenge to regional stability and to our homeland security.

At the heart of our strategy is the political strand.

'Isil will not be overcome until Iraq and Syria have inclusive governments capable of marginalising its appeal and of mounting a sustained and effective response on the ground to the military and ideological threat it poses.'

NAZI COLLABORATOR LORD HAW-HAW LAST PERSON EXECUTED FOR HIGH TREASON

William Joyce was the last person executed in Britain for high treason.

Known as Lord Haw-Haw, Joyce was a notorious broadcaster of Nazi propaganda to the UK during the Second World War.

His announcement 'Germany calling, Germany calling' was a familiar sound across the airwaves, introducing threats and misinformation that he broadcast from his Hamburg base.

In 1945, Joyce was captured and returned to Britain, where he was later hanged.

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[MHz]

Excellent step.

First step, keep it a secret.

 

[damngrumpy]

The question came ujp what about those born here they can't be deported and people
who have lived here for a long time can't be stripped of their citizenship. Actually that
is partly true. The young man who was born here who went to fight with those we are
in conflict with could br tried for treason a crime against Canada and its time we used
the law and enforced it
As for someone who entered this country and is not a good citizen can have their
citizenship revoked. The example was set when we deported someone back to Euripe
if my memory is correct it was Italy and he was deported for war crimes if I'm not
mistaken. Doesn't apply here maybe however that has not been tested in court and the
fact we sent even one out it opens the door to interpretation and that has to be decided
by the courts.
Should it be they could not be deported they perhaps could be charged with aiding and
abetting they enemy by not informing the government their family member went to fight
for the enemy that incidentally is a crime
I also think its a shame we would have to evoke such a law as there are those who come
here and support actions directly or indirectly that are in conflict with our young men and
women on the front lines.
Someone pointed out a long standing family had a relative who went to fight in Syria.
They have done nothing wrong except they should have let authorities know their relative
went to fight for the enemy because of their loyalty to Canada. I know if one of my relations
did that I would not take that kindly. I would think that the courts could outline the procedure
and what is legal and what is not

 

[CDNBear]

"Could be tried for treason"

But likely won't be. Britain has lost her balls and can;t find them through all the shwarma.

 

[WLDB]

But likely won't be. Britain has lost her balls and can;t find them through all the shwarma.

I could be wrong but I suspect shwarama is a hell of a lot better tasting than balls.

 

[SLM]

I could be wrong but I suspect shwarama is a hell of a lot better tasting than balls.

Fairly certain Blackleaf would disgree. It's probably a popular side dish to spotted dic*k or something.