Mulcair targets 'freeloader' corporations

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For the most part yes. I believe that tax credits simply because you are a volunteer fire fighter, have children or were born before 1949 should be abolished. I have no problem with the basic personal tax exemption as it serves the needs of the lower income population. That is not to say there aren't better ways to do it though. Let's not kid ourselves though, most tax credits are meant to buy votes, not give a leg up to anybody that really needs one

A fair reasonable flat tax with no credits or deductions would be the most ideal system. You would not even have to file taxes as your employer would just deduct X% from your paycheck or welfare cheque. Why should we penalize somebody for working harder and getting a raise?
 

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Buy votes with transpartisan approved credits? Lie and call them hand outs? The only way to get a credit is to have an income.

It not worth it to give tax credits to businesses who invest in Canada and provide jobs?

Should CPP OAS CDIC EI divest their Corporate holdings giving up profits and taxes made from Corporations?

Should RRSP credits be axed?
 

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The only way to get a credit is to have an income.

Yes but it isn't based on need. I have no problem paying taxes if the money goes to those in need. I do have a problem paying taxes and having people like Peter Pocklington brag that he didn't pay any.

It not worth it to give tax credits to businesses who invest in Canada and provide jobs?

If its a viable business, it shouldnt need tax credits to get investors.

Should RRSP credits be axed?
Let's not confuse tax deferment with tax credits.
 

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Yes but it isn't based on need. I have no problem paying taxes if the money goes to those in need. I do have a problem paying taxes and having people like Peter Pocklington brag that he didn't pay any.

If its a viable business, it shouldnt need tax credits to get investors.

Let's not confuse tax deferment with tax credits.
If Peter Puck limits his draw to keep from paying taxes good for him. I could take a $29,000 draw too and even get GST. What is your point?

So they shouldn't be hounded to provide jobs through growth either?

A matched contribution is a handout that you pay income tax on when drawn from.
 

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If Peter Puck limits his draw to keep from paying taxes good for him. I could take a $29,000 draw too and even get GST. What is your point?


...and that would be fine as long as you were living a 29k lifestyle. Of course, we all know PP wasn't doing that.

A matched contribution is a handout that you pay income tax on when drawn from.


One could definitely argue that point but of course, they would be wrong in some instances. A matched contribution into a pension fund (for example) would not be considered a "handout" unless you consider all types of remuneration a "handout".




From my perspective, the problem with ax credits is that they are too difficult to track. In fact, the more confusing the system becomes, the more difficult it is to determine whether the taxpayer is getting value for the dollar. I only need look at our local fire department to see a "municipal department" that would have a difficult time calculating the true cost to taxpayers.
 

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If everything is bought and paid for $29K is plenty. It pays to work hard and coast through life independently in the golden years. No bills, no income tax.

Why is it hard to track?
 

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If everything is bought and paid for $29K is plenty. It pays to work hard and coast through life independently in the golden years. No bills, no income tax.


Are you suggesting that Peter was living on 29K per year?

Why is it hard to track?


Our department is funded by the municipality, by insurance companies, billed expenses, by grant monies from the province and (here's where it gets interesting) donations, grants and casino revenue raised by the firefighter association. Casino money and grant money come directly from the province. The donation come from the energy sector and the farming community mostly. We write tax receipts as we are a charity. In effect, we are getting taxpayers dollars. We are not required by law to spend this money on firefighting, only "services to the community", so we could (and have) spent funds on playground equipment for instance.


My issue is that I expect value for dollars spent and tax credits limit the ability to track that. The firefighter tax credit is a perfect example. What is it's purpose? Is it to attract firefighters? Is it to retain firefighters? I'm not saying it these questions cant e answered. I'm saying nobody is asking them or tracking whether the credit is having success in achieving its purpose. The reason for that is that the credit doesn't show up on anybody's budget so nobody is accountable.
 

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. That is a nonprofit org. An entirely different ball of wax.


No. It's using taxpayers dollars. People and corporations are getting tax credits by supporting it. It is the same ball of wax.










I notice you ignored the question about PP
 

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Yours. Who the f-ck else? Henry Kissenger?

What tax dollars? There is no money exchanged between someone donating and getting a credit from the Feds or Provinces.

Would you prefer to be 100% municipal tax funded?
 

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Yours. Who the f-ck else? Henry Kissenger?

What tax dollars? There is no money exchanged between someone donating and getting a credit from the Feds or Provinces.

Would you prefer to be 100% municipal tax funded?

You always start with the potty mouth when you realize you are wrong. Why is that?

As far as what I would prefer, I would would prefer a system where we can track the real costs (and it is irrelevant if money actually changes hands). If company XYZ gives money to a charity and gets a tax credit, that is less money going to the taxpayers/government. If I get a tax credit for being a firefighter, that is less money going to the taxpayers/government. As I said, there is close to $100B in tax credits in this country and nobody seems to be tracking this money to see if it is accomplishing anything (let alone what it's supposed to). Look I get you were a farmer and this is a touchy subject. You probably wouldn't have survived without tax credits but you shouldn't expect the rest of us to subsidize your operation without asking questions.
 
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I'm not the one who is wrong.

Ever run a business?

You obviously have zero clue about corporate taxes, farm taxes or personal taxes.

It's like being piss because you didn't win a win raffle after not buying a ticket.

Let's say a commercial painter incorporates. He gets a juicy contract of $100,000 for painting a hotel.

He pays himself $1000 a week ($52K) leaving $48K in the corporate name. Will he be paying 1 tax or 2?
 

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I'm not the one who is wrong.

Ever run a business?

You obviously have zero clue about corporate taxes, farm taxes or personal taxes.

It's like being piss because you didn't win a win raffle after not buying a ticket.

Oh dear, it seems I've touch a nerve.....and yes, I own my own business. The wife's family were farmers. She did their books so I know all about it. Her dad did quite well at it.....credits and all.
 

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Bullsh-t!

While I appreciate the fact that you need to make this about me, perhaps it would help if you actually refuted some of my key points.

Do you disagree that there is close to 100 billion dollars per year in tax credits?

Do you disagree with my contention that that there is little effort to examine the effectiveness of these credits?

Do you disagree with my contention that the government should know what if any benefit there are to taxpayers from these credits?
 

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You obviously have no clue how tax credits work.

They know where every penny was spent to qualify for a credit.

You have to spend money before you get a credit.

As asked above:

Let's say a commercial painter incorporates. He gets a juicy contract of $100,000 for painting a hotel.

He pays himself $1000 a week ($52K) leaving $48K in the corporate name. Will he be paying 1 tax or 2?

What types of capital costs does the Corporation get credits for this one man operation and why?
 

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You obviously have no clue how tax credits work.

They know where every penny was spent to qualify for a credit.

You have to spend money before you get a credit.

As asked above:

Let's say a commercial painter incorporates. He gets a juicy contract of $100,000 for painting a hotel.

He pays himself $1000 a week ($52K) leaving $48K in the corporate name. Will he be paying 1 tax or 2?

What types of capital costs does the Corporation get credits for this one man operation and why?

Don't be so silly. Tax credits work in many ways. I understand that. It would appear that you don't. Can I gather from the fact you ignored my questions, you are unable to answer them or unwilling. My money is on unwilling.
 

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Answer the question.

Let's say a commercial painter incorporates. He gets a juicy contract of $100,000 for painting a hotel.

He pays himself $1000 a week ($52K) leaving $48K in the corporate name. Will he be paying 1 tax or 2?

What types of capital costs does the Corporation get credits for this one man operation and why?