U.S. Patent Office Cancels Washington Redskins Trademarks

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Tecumsehsbones said:
And it's irrelevant. You keep missing the point, or perhaps you're just trying to divert it. Neither I, nor to the best of my knowledge most Indians, have a problem with "Indians" or "Braves" or "Chiefs" or "Seminoles" or "Utes" or any names like that. But to me and to most Indians that I know, "redskin" is a racial slur.
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Not according to the polls I've read.


I'll ask the same question I asked Cap. Why do you even care? You're not a Redskins fan, are you? And I know from our interaction here you don't give a damn less about Indians generally, our ideas, our history, our problems, or our opinions.
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Nah... I'm not from the DC area. And of course I give a damn about Indians, their history, problems, opinions, etc. Whinny liberals and b*tches... not so much.
 
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gopher said:
If you were old like I am you would likely remember the old Hollywood Westerns which contained dialog that used that term. It has been a disfavored term equitable with the N word and this is why it is no longer used in public by most folks.
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Yup Tonto came from Calgary .

Tecumsehsbones said:
You said a mouthful there. Your nastiness about our white masters notwithstanding, there's more Wa-Na-Bes than all the other nations put together.
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And you are one . you probably have more French Irish and Spanish blood than Native .
 
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Ron in Regina said:
Who is the "We" that you refer to?
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Indians in the U.S. I know, it's a difficult balancing act. What is the "Indian opinion?" Of course, there isn't one Indian opinion.

It's the perpetual problem of group-based thinking. I would love to be able to deal with each person as an individual, with no group-based ideas or conceptions. Unfortunately, to do that would require a complete denial of the world as it is. There are groups. People get assigned to groups. Historically, those assignments were enforced by law and social violence. That has effects that continue.

So I try to be careful with it, but it's still yet another area of life where there are no clean, sharp-edged answers.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Because to the best of my knowledge, no significant number of Irish or Irish Americans objects to it.


I don't see any problem with this one. But I'm not responsible for what a bunch of white people (the NCAA) do.


And it's irrelevant. You keep missing the point, or perhaps you're just trying to divert it. Neither I, nor to the best of my knowledge most Indians, have a problem with "Indians" or "Braves" or "Chiefs" or "Seminoles" or "Utes" or any names like that. But to me and to most Indians that I know, "redskin" is a racial slur.

That's what this is about. You and Captain Morgan keep pushing the slippery-slope fallacy. But that ain't the topic. The topic is one word: Redskins.

I'll ask the same question I asked Cap. Why do you even care? You're not a Redskins fan, are you? And I know from our interaction here you don't give a damn less about Indians generally, our ideas, our history, our problems, or our opinions.


So, I guess I'll ask the same questions of you that I never get an answer to from anybody else, not that I expect anything different:

Do you consider the term "n*gger" acceptable for general use?

Do you dispute that a substantial percentage of Indians consider "redskin" to be a racial slur, and pretty much the nastiest and most insulting of them?

And in all sober seriousness, here's one I'd really like an answer to: who gets to decide if a given term is unacceptable, society at large or the group to which the term refers? I ask because I can see both sides to this argument. On the one hand, American English doesn't belong to Indians, it belongs to all Americans, and shouldn't be ruled by one group that's only about 1% of the population. On the other hand, you could argue that Indians have a particular interest here.
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Is redskin nastier than say CHUG .
 
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captain morgan said:
A group of natives deemed red skin to be a slur... Red skin is a descriptor no different than white skin or black skin.
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OK, so you don't see "redskin" as a racial slur. And you deny that any other view could be valid. So we don't really have much to say to each other on the subject, I guess.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
OK, so you don't see "redskin" as a racial slur. And you deny that any other view could be valid. So we don't really have much to say to each other on the subject, I guess.
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What you're saying is that only 1 world view should exist and there will be law suits, legislation and punishment for anyone that dares not agree.

Obviously you can't see this point, but it's OK to revere the Fighting Irish becasue to the best of your knowledge, no one of Irish descent is offended.

Physician, heal thyself
 
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captain morgan said:
What you're saying is that only 1 world view should exist and there will be law suits, legislation and punishment for anyone that dares not agree.
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Nope, that's what you're saying. You said "redskin is a descriptor, not a racial slur." I said "I think redskin is a racial slur." You're the one stating your position as fact. I'm stating it as my position.

Obviously you can't see this point, but it's OK to revere the Fighting Irish becasue to the best of your knowledge, no one of Irish descent is offended.
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And if they do, I'll support (just not with money or a substantial amount of time, except when I'm bored) them on that.

Physician, heal thyself
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Your concern for my well-being would be touching if it were real.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Nope, that's what you're saying. You said "redskin is a descriptor, not a racial slur." I said "I think redskin is a racial slur." You're the one stating your position as fact. I'm stating it as my position.


And if they do, I'll support (just not with money or a substantial amount of time, except when I'm bored) them on that.


Your concern for my well-being would be touching if it were real.
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What Locutus said

PS - Looks like you're far beyond any self-healing
 
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Next on the list...

Red Mesa High School Redskins located on a Navajo Indian Reservation in Az.

The Navajo Times Online - Sports: 'Red Mesa kids can play football!'

"The Cowboys of Willcox (9-2), located in southeastern Arizona near the Mexico and New Mexico borders, drove 10 hours into hostile Indian country to face the Red Mesa Redskins (8-2) in the first round of the 2A state football playoffs."

Why those racists!
 
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LOL Got my hat

Seattle Times: We won't use Redskins name in our newspaper - CBSSports.com



Personally I think they should change the name from the RedSkins to the Wagon Burners, or drunk, lazy welfare bums..

Telling ya... get your RedSkins Hat today..

 
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LOL! When I was growing up, decades ago the R word stood for "reject" - that is, the army rejected you when you tried to enlist. I carried the word "reject" with me for many years.




How the times have changed!!!!
 
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