Queen to name new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth

[captain morgan]

Who says so?

Anyone with an ounce of sense. I see that you've already disqualified yourself from that possibility

Are they from one of your thirty year old, rustbucket Upholders?

No, the rust buckets that Canada bought were equipped with the original communications technology... Carrier pidgeons

Your submarines would stand no chance against a British submarine in a war situation.

A war situation? That's laughable

You guys can't even stop the Russian Navy with circa WWII vessels from running circles around your tiny island.

 

[Blackleaf]

Anyone with an ounce of sense. I see that you've already disqualified yourself from that possibility

Yeah. I keep forgetting you're an expert on the Astute-class submarines. Sorry about that.

No, the rust buckets that Canada bought were equipped with the original communications technology... Carrier pidgeons

And yet those submarines are still in service in the Canadian navy and, as far as I know, are the only submarines in the Canadian navy.

A war situation? That's laughable

You guys can't even stop the Russian Navy with circa WWII vessels from running circles around your tiny island.

Althought a new Astute-class sub managed to hold back a new US Virginia-class sub, leaving the Yanks astounded by HMS Astute's capabilities.

So that leaves the USN a distant third behind the Russian and British navies.

around your tiny island

It's the eighth-largest island in the world.

 

[EagleSmack]

Judging by this - The United States Navy was 'blown away' by the performance of HMS Astute during sea trials in the Atlantic recently, the ship's commanding officer has said - "the Brits" have now overtaken you.

That is what some Brit officer said.

Come back in 2060 when you lot build better, more advanced submarines than the Royal Navy.

Do you have any additional imaginary ships that you would like to tell us about? Any more artist renditions?

The US Navy is far superior to the Brit Navy especially in submarine warfare.

 

[captain morgan]

Yeah. I keep forgetting you're an expert on the Astute-class submarines. Sorry about that.

And yet those submarines are still in service in the Canadian navy and, as far as I know, are the only submarines in the Canadian navy.

Althought a new Astute-class sub managed to hold back a new US Virginia-class sub, leaving the Yanks astounded by HMS Astute's capabilities.

So that leaves the USN a distant third behind the Russian and British navies.

I pity you Blackleaf

It's the eighth-largest island in the world.

It's so sad to observe this situation.... Ran out of money to build anything decent.

Do you have any additional imaginary ships that you would like to tell us about? Any more artist renditions?

The US Navy is far superior to the Brit Navy especially in submarine warfare.

No one can beat Blackie's pretend Navy in a pretend battle.

Maybe the USN can sell some more ancient tech like some bi-planes or something... That'll fit in well

 

[EagleSmack]

No one can beat Blackie's pretend Navy in a pretend battle.

Maybe the USN can sell some more ancient tech like some bi-planes or something... That'll fit in well

All of the sonar, propulsion, and weapon system technology in the Astute is old US technology that we sold to the Brits.

However the Astute has a far more advanced tea making machine in the officers dining room that we've been unable to duplicate.

 

[captain morgan]

Talk to the (East) Indians on the tea issue... After all, they did invent the stuff

 

[NTW]

Actually the British introduce tea to India to counter the Chinese monopoly. The British East India company started the tea plantations. Indians did not really drink tea on a wide scale until the 20th century.

Americans have more advanced subs than the Brits.

How do you know that? Can you back up your claim?

I don't know one way or the other but wondered how you knew the US subs are better

 

[EagleSmack]

...sigh...

Noobs

 

[NTW]

...sigh...

Noobs

You can't back up your claim then....

 

[Locutus]

Actually the British introduce tea to India to counter the Chinese monopoly. The British East India company started the tea plantations. Indians did not really drink tea on a wide scale until the 20th century.


How do you know that? Can you back up your claim?

I don't know one way or the other but wondered how you knew the US subs are better

You can't back up your claim then....

Welcome new friend.

 

[NTW]

Welcome new friend.

Thank you

 

[EagleSmack]

You can't back up your claim then....

I can't help but laugh. I... I just don't know what to say.

 

[captain morgan]

Actually the British introduce tea to India to counter the Chinese monopoly. The British East India company started the tea plantations. Indians did not really drink tea on a wide scale until the 20th century.

Well, that's what the Western (read: British) historians would have you believe.

The truth of the matter is that the Asians (Chinese, Indians & SE Asia) shared many cultural practices and traditions when the Blackleaf's ancestors were still living in trees flinging dung at each other... Hell, that might even be an accurate description of Sunday dinner at Blackie's place to this day.

All the same, welcome aboard

I can't help but laugh. I... I just don't know what to say.

Give the lad an opportunity to catch-up... Everyone deserves a break

 

[NTW]

I can't help but laugh. I... I just don't know what to say.

That is quite clear

Well, that's what the Western (read: British) historians would have you believe.

The truth of the matter is that the Asians (Chinese, Indians & SE Asia) shared many cultural practices and traditions when the Blackleaf's ancestors were still living in trees flinging dung at each other... Hell, that might even be an accurate description of Sunday dinner at Blackie's place to this day.

All the same, welcome aboard




Give the lad an opportunity to catch-up... Everyone deserves a break

Thanks for the welcome!

There is no doubt tea had reached India before the british went anywhere near the place, however it was the british who introduce it there in terms of setting up plantations. There was even an advertising campaign in India in the 1950s to encourage tea drinking

 

[NTW]

Wow, an Aircraft Carrier that can hold a massive 12 aircraft! And 12 short range planes at that.

What the heck do they need a ship of that size for, with only 12 "jump jets"?

It can hold up to 50 aircraft. The statement from the defence secretary was that in normal peacetime deployments there would be 12 F35B's carried plus various helicopters. Also the statement 'air is free, steel is cheap' holds here. It costs only about 20% more to build a 65000-70000 ton carrier over a 35000-40000 ton and gives a much greater flexibility. I would rather have the extra space and not use it, than wish I had it when it was needed.

The fact is the UK does not have the defence budget of the US and cannot afford to routinely deploy carrier wings of 50+ aircraft. In a war situation the carriers would soon be filled up though.

It is also pointless to compare them to the US carriers. The US spends over 10 times the amount on defence than the UK.

The important thing is whether they are suitable for the RN requirements, which I believe they are. Whilst we still have overseas territories and obligations to defend them, then we need carriers.

The airgroups will be tailored for each mission. There will be times during exercises or training when 24 or 36 F35's are carried but mostly just 12 during normal deployments.

Again Cats and Traps would have have been ideal but the STOVL set up suits us fine. The cost saving enables 2 carriers to be operated. The differences are not what they used to be and STOVL has one benefit of operating in worse weather conditons. The F35B whilst having a lower range than the F35C, I believe it is similar to the F18 which has served the US well until the F35 replaces them. The 'ski jump' allows a significantly heavier payload to be carried than a flat deck, so as ugly as they are it is better to have them.

My only concern with STOVL is the lack of decent AEW. I would love to have seen the Hawkeyes used. I wonder if they could be take off with the ski jump?

 

[Blackleaf]

That is what some Brit officer said.

And there's a good reason for that.

Do you have any additional imaginary ships that you would like to tell us about? Any more artist renditions?

Oh, I've got plenty. Here's what our 13 new Type 26 Global Combat Ships will look like. Construction starts next year. Again, they'll be the best ships of their type in the world.

New Type 27 frigates are also to be built.

The US Navy is far superior to the Brit Navy especially in submarine warfare.

That's a very strange thing to say, considering the Royal Navy's newest submarine completely pwned the US Navy's newest submarine.

It's so sad to observe this situation.... Ran out of money to build anything decent.

The UK has the world's fourth-largest defence budget.

Maybe the USN can sell some more ancient tech like some bi-planes or something... That'll fit in well

Don't worry. We're buying some of those Yankee F-35s. But, like most American-built things, they don't even work properly.

 

[NTW]

I don't think there is such a thing as a Type 27 ship, not yet anyway. The Type 26 doesn't even start building until 2016

 

[Blackleaf]

All of the sonar, propulsion, and weapon system technology in the Astute is old US technology that we sold to the Brits.

Come off it. Sonar 2076, the world's most powerful sonar, which allows Royal Navy ships in Portsmouth to detect ships entering and leaving New York Harbor, was designed and built exclusively for the Royal Navy. The Americans have nothing like it, and it was Sonar 2076 which allowed an Astute-class submarine to hold back a Virginia-class submarine and leave the Yanks astounded.

That is quite clear


Thanks for the welcome!

There is no doubt tea had reached India before the british went anywhere near the place, however it was the british who introduce it there in terms of setting up plantations. There was even an advertising campaign in India in the 1950s to encourage tea drinking

Along with railways, roads, urbanity, sewage systems, parliamentary democracy, the English language and those other things that allowed India to because a fully-fledged modern state, tea was one of the things that the British introduced to India:

Tea was first introduced into India by the British, in an attempt to break the Chinese monopoly on tea. The British, "using Chinese seeds, plus Chinese planting and cultivating techniques, launched a tea industry by offering land in Assam to any European who agreed to cultivate tea for export." Maniram Dewan (1806-1858 ) was the first Indian tea planter.

Tea was originally only consumed by Anglicized Indians, and it was not until the 1950s that tea grew widely popular in India through a successful advertising campaign by the India Tea Board.Prior to the British, the plant may have been used for medicinal purposes. Some cite the Sanjeevani plant plant first recorded reference of tea use in India. However, studies have shown that Sanjeevani plant was probably a plant unrelated to the tea plant (Camellia sinensis) and is likely to refer either to Selaginella bryopteris or to Desmotrichum Fimbriatu.

In the early 1820s, the British East India Company began large-scale production of tea in Assam, India, of a tea variety traditionally brewed by the Singpho people. In 1826, the British East India Company took over the region from the Ahom kings through the Yandaboo Treaty. In 1837, the first English tea garden was established at Chabua in Upper Assam; in 1840, the Assam Tea Company began the commercial production of tea in the region, run by indentured servitude of the local inhabitants. Beginning in the 1850s, the tea industry rapidly expanded, consuming vast tracts of land for tea plantations. By the turn of the century, Assam became the leading tea producing region in the world.

History of tea in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[captain morgan]

You are still forced to post pictures of computer generated images of what these vessels might look like if they were ever built.

It's a pretend Navy

 

[Blackleaf]

You are still forced to post pictures of computer generated images

That's because they haven't been built yet. What do you want me to do? Time travel?