White Man March: Khaki-clad men march for white pride

BornRuff

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Don't be so silly. Of course I can when they tell me what they believe. I think the only reason you think it's deep is because it's over your head.

That is not judging them on their thoughts, that is judging them on something they do, i.e. make racist statements.

On a related note, do you oppose handicap parking spaces?
 

BaalsTears

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Not at all. What I'm saying is that the groups you mentioned don't celebrate racial qualities at all. You were the one that brought up semantics. White pride means something very different from what you're discussing here. The example is very clear, when Germans get together to celebrate their German culture, they are celebrating German culture. When people get together to celebrate white pride, they do things like those in the OP, and protest what they see as the destruction of their race. The two are very different.

If you want to be revisionist and try to take back white pride from a group of racists, well I'm all for that, but I would say good luck. Most people recognize white pride as a group of racists, and the language used by groups identifying themselves with the white pride movement is both explicitly and implicitly racist.

To me, white pride is very weird. I feel no pride at all for something over which I have no control.

I'm accustomed to thinking differently than most people. But defining terms the way I conceive of them is simply what I do without concern about how it is perceived by contemporaries. Thought is shaped by words and the meanings attached to them. Words help give context to reality by helping us define experience.

Over time words and terms evolve. While the majority in America have been conditioned to think of white pride as inherently evil that will not be the case in the coming era as white people in the USA are disempowered by non-white people.

As a group why should white people be proud? Do they have the same right as other groups to be proud of their heritage and lineage? Those who composed the commonly understood category called white people are unique. Each group is unique.

While most people would agree with you that white pride is weird, they probably wouldn't do so if they analyzed the term in a broader context. Only the First Peoples of Europe and their descendants created the ideals of individual liberty, equality before the law, equality of opportunity, even equality of outcome, participatory democracy, republicanism, separation of church and state, the nation-state, and a host of others in the realm of political theory and political economics. These are special gifts to humanity.

I may be a revisionist or I simply may be pushing back against contemporary mindsets. In either event I help to shape the conception of reality.

Btw, the descendants of the First Peoples of Europe are being destroyed by the long term consequences of the mistakes of their progenitors. As a result the unique character of their civilization will be lost like tears in the rain. This will be their fate and unfortunately it will also be the fate of most of their ideals.

Most Chinese seem to think that the world is simply returning to its prior balance. I think they are wrong. A new world is being born from the era of Western domination in the same way a new world was born from the fall of Classical Antiquity.
 

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Only the First Peoples of Europe and their descendants created the ideals of individual liberty, equality before the law, equality of opportunity, even equality of outcome, participatory democracy, republicanism, separation of church and state, the nation-state, and a host of others in the realm of political theory and political economics. These are special gifts to humanity.

And groups like the white pride movement in the OP deride things like equality of opportunity. They say that many of those special gifts to humanity are leading to a white genocide. They too are very much are twisting the meaning of words that generally are understood to mean something else.

As I said, if you want to try to take a movement back from the racists, then all the power to you.
 

Cannuck

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In your posts, you seem to say it is wrong to treat people differently.

Then perhaps you should re-read my posts. I'm talking about race and the belief that races are inherently different. I didn't realize you missed that. That's probably why your posts fail to make any sense sometimes.
 

BornRuff

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Then perhaps you should re-read my posts. I'm talking about race and the belief that races are inherently different. I didn't realize you missed that. That's probably why your posts fail to make any sense sometimes.

You have spent at least a dozen posts arguing that it is wrong to treat people differently for practical reasons.

You have been arguing that it is wrong to have a seat on a board for an aboriginal person even though they have different legal rights in regards to the issue at hand that other people would not have any experience with.
 

Cannuck

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You have spent at least a dozen posts arguing that it is wrong to treat people differently for practical reasons.

Dont be silly. Of course I haven't

You have been arguing that it is wrong to have a seat on a board for an aboriginal person even though they have different legal rights in regards to the issue at hand that other people would not have any experience with.

Aboriginal bans have different rights "in regards to the issue at hand" than farmers, who have different rights than municipalities, which have different rights than provincial departments, which have different rights than commercial fishers, which have different right than recreational users (and lets not even mention seniors). If it was about "different legal rights in regards to the issue", they delegate seats to everybody that had different seats but they didn't. The only difference was race. Just because you think it is for "practical reason" doesn't mean it is and therefore, i'm not "arguing that it is wrong to treat people differently for practical reasons. I don't think it is a practical reason.

Perhaps if you stopped talking silly and actually explained why a seat for aboriginal rights and no seat for anglers rights rights is practical, you might start making some sense.
 

BornRuff

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Dont be silly. Of course I haven't

Aboriginal bans have different rights "in regards to the issue at hand" than farmers, who have different rights than municipalities, which have different rights than provincial departments, which have different rights than commercial fishers, which have different right than recreational users (and lets not even mention seniors). If it was about "different legal rights in regards to the issue", they delegate seats to everybody that had different seats but they didn't. The only difference was race. Just because you think it is for "practical reason" doesn't mean it is and therefore, i'm not "arguing that it is wrong to treat people differently for practical reasons. I don't think it is a practical reason.

Perhaps if you stopped talking silly and actually explained why a seat for aboriginal rights and no seat for anglers rights rights is practical, you might start making some sense.

This is simply wrong. All of the other groups you mention operate within the same legal framework. There is a separate legal framework that only aboriginal people exist in. They are the only group who's legal rights are dependent on their ancestry.
 

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The National Black Police Association.



Imagine the uproar if there was a National White Police Association.



Ali Dizaei (above) the former National President of National Black Police Association was jailed for perverting the course of justice in February 2010. Anjana Ahuja, a British Asian reporter for The Times, criticised the organisation for its vocal defence of Dizaei and called for its disbandment, calling it "pointless and possibly harmful", asking, "why partition members of the same profession along the lines of skin colour?" Whereas Minette Marrin called the NBPA "racism in action" saying "if anything is institutionally racist, in the strict sense of the term, it is the existence of the NBPA itself: it is a separatist union for officers who call themselves black." Conservative MP David Davies criticised the organisation, while speaking as a guest at a NBPA meeting, for not allowing white people to become full members, saying: "To me it is a shame that full membership of the BPA is open only to those of black, Asian or Middle Eastern origin."
 
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