Barack Obama Failed

[BornRuff]

What's to respond to? It's a link on Scott Brown.

...about his impact on the Affordable Care Act.

You keep saying he had no impact. How do you respond to their points?

So that FORCED the Democrats to pass the bill?! lmao@u!

You remember what that quote is in response to, right?

You: "Why didn't they change it then? The GOP wasn't stopping them."

Yes, they clearly were stopping them. They explicitly said they were stopping them from making changes.

 

[EagleSmack]

...about his impact on the Affordable Care Act.

You keep saying he had no impact. How do you respond to their points?

We're talking here in here. If you have a point say it.

I'm not giving you reading assignments. Do you want me too?

You remember what that quote is in response to, right?

Yes.

You: "Why didn't they change it then? The GOP wasn't stopping them."

Yes, they clearly were stopping them.

No they didn't. It was impossible for the GOP to stop the bill from passing the House OR stop the House Democrats from making changes to be sent back to the Senate.

You're so wrong!

They explicitly said they were stopping them from making changes.

Oh dear. How is that possible? Who said that and when?

You need to learn how the US Congress works.

The GOP did not FORCE the Democrats to vote for Obamacare. The House Democrats could have voted NO. They voted YEA. It was THEIR choice to vote either way and the majority voted YEA.

The Bill was passed and that is that.

Democrats own the responsibility 100% for the failure of Obamacare.

 

[BornRuff]

No they didn't. It was impossible for the GOP to stop the bill from passing the House OR stop the House Democrats from making changes to be sent back to the Senate.

What important step are you leaving out here.

 

[EagleSmack]

What important step are you leaving out here.

None.

Because the bill passed the House. If the House Democrats wanted to make changes they could have and sent it back to the Senate. If they wanted to vote NO they could have.

Boom!

The choice was theirs...The responsibility was theirs.

You: "Why didn't they change it then? The GOP wasn't stopping them."

Yes, they clearly were stopping them. They explicitly said they were stopping them from making changes.

And you tried to silence me because of a timeline? lol

And how pathetic are the Democrats to now say that they didn't want the bill. After they were the ones that created and passed it and it has shown to be an utter failure.

Shame on them

 

[BornRuff]

None.

Because the bill passed the House. If the House Democrats wanted to make changes they could have and sent it back to the Senate. If they wanted to vote NO they could have.

Boom!

The choice was theirs...The responsibility was theirs.

What would have happened if they made changes and sent a new bill back to the senate?

And you tried to silence me because of a timeline? lol

And how pathetic are the Democrats to now say that they didn't want the bill. After they were the ones that created and passed it and it has shown to be an utter failure.

Shame on them

The fact that they wanted to make changes to the bill was clearly stated back in 2010.

 

[EagleSmack]

What would have happened if they made changes and sent a new bill back to the senate?

It never happened. By that time the Democrats voted it in. Remember what you said about not talking about what could have happened? How we should avoid that and stick to what did happen?


If the House Democrats did not like the bill they have every right to vote against it or make changes and see what happens in the Senate. Instead they chose to pass the bill.

The fact that they wanted to make changes to the bill was clearly stated back in 2010.

The Democrats said that? Then why didn't they change it! They had every right to do that. I am sure the GOP would have loved to finally have the opportunity to weigh in. However the House Democrats (as was their right) chose to pass the Senate bill. Which is why the burden of blame rests fully and exclusively on the shoulders of the Democrat Party.


Did they say that as they were begging their constituents for forgiveness because of the upcoming 2010 Midterms?

 

[BornRuff]

It never happened. By that time the Democrats voted it in. Remember what you said about not talking about what could have happened? How we should avoid that and stick to what did happen?


If the House Democrats did not like the bill they have every right to vote against it or make changes and see what happens in the Senate. Instead they chose to pass the bill.




The Democrats said that? Then why didn't they change it! They had every right to do that. I am sure the GOP would have loved to finally have the opportunity to weigh in. However the House Democrats (as was their right) chose to pass the Senate bill. Which is why the burden of blame rests fully and exclusively on the shoulders of the Democrat Party.


Did they say that as they were begging their constituents for forgiveness because of the upcoming 2010 Midterms?

Lol, I guess you really have no shame.

Oh well.

 

[EagleSmack]

Lol, I guess you really have no shame.

Oh well.

You just can't admit you're wrong.


You're just like our Democrats are.


Oh well.

 

[BornRuff]

It never happened. By that time the Democrats voted it in. Remember what you said about not talking about what could have happened? How we should avoid that and stick to what did happen?


If the House Democrats did not like the bill they have every right to vote against it or make changes and see what happens in the Senate. Instead they chose to pass the bill.

There was no ambiguity about what would happen in the Senate. The GOP explicitly said they would block it.

You either know this and are trolling, or a not capable of comprehending this subject. At this point, whatever it is, there isn't much point going further.

We're talking here in here. If you have a point say it.

I'm not giving you reading assignments. Do you want me too?

The article is about 1/10th of the length of all the nonsense you have written in this thread.

I'll leave you with this though, from a not so liberal source to boot.

Scott Brown’s important place in history

"That 41st vote against Obamacare had enormous significance. It was not enough to stop it, because the Senate had passed a bill in late December 2009. Brown’s election meant that the House, led by Nancy Pelosi, could not modify the Senate bill and had to take it as is, but for some relatively minor “reconciliation” changes. The hard core progressives never got to weigh in on Obamacare.

The Senate Obamacare bill, which became law because Brown could block any non-reconciliation changes, was and is a monstrosity, hated by conservatives and true progressives alike. Only party-line Democrats like it."

But yeah, if nobody can tell you that the GOP had any impact on this, I guess nobody can tell you that.

 

[Locutus]

Lol, I guess you really have no shame.

Oh well.

 

[EagleSmack]

There was no ambiguity about what would happen in the Senate. The GOP explicitly said they would block it.

Let's stick to what did happen not what you think would have.


Again... the Democrats had all year to work on the bill... heck they had more than a year as they had been in control of both houses since Bush's last midterms.


Anything reason other than they willingly wrote and passed bad legislation is just another pathetic excuse of the Democrats.

You either know this and are trolling, or a not capable of comprehending this subject. At this point, whatever it is, there isn't much point going further.

You are simply unwilling to lay blame where it is... on the Democrats. The Democrats wrote and passed it. Simple.


There never was a reason to go further two days ago.


The disastrous bill named Obamacare was written, passed, and signed into law by Democrats only. The failure of Obamacare is the fault of only Democrats.

The article is about 1/10th of the length of all the nonsense you have written in this thread.

You've written nothing but nonsense and parroted excuses.

I'll leave you with this though, from a not so liberal source to boot.

Scott Brown’s important place in history

"That 41st vote against Obamacare had enormous significance. It was not enough to stop it, because the Senate had passed a bill in late December 2009. Brown’s election meant that the House, led by Nancy Pelosi, could not modify the Senate bill and had to take it as is, but for some relatively minor “reconciliation” changes. The hard core progressives never got to weigh in on Obamacare.

The Senate Obamacare bill, which became law because Brown could block any non-reconciliation changes, was and is a monstrosity, hated by conservatives and true progressives alike. Only party-line Democrats like it."

But yeah, if nobody can tell you that the GOP had any impact on this, I guess nobody can tell you that.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.... if only. lol


They had all year to write a bill without GOP interference. The Democrats chose to pass a destructive bill all on their own out of arrogance. The blame is theirs 100%.

 

[pgs]

Let's stick to what did happen not what you think would have.


Again... the Democrats had all year to work on the bill... heck they had more than a year as they had been in control of both houses since Bush's last midterms.


Anything reason other than they willingly wrote and passed bad legislation is just another pathetic excuse of the Democrats.


You are simply unwilling to lay blame where it is... on the Democrats. The Democrats wrote and passed it. Simple.


There never was a reason to go further two days ago.


The disastrous bill named Obamacare was written, passed, and signed into law by Democrats only. The failure of Obamacare is the fault of only Democrats.






You've written nothing but nonsense and parroted excuses.

I'll leave you with this though, from a not so liberal source to boot.






Woulda, coulda, shoulda.... if only. lol


They had all year to write a bill without GOP interference. The Democrats chose to pass a destructive bill all on their own out of arrogance. The blame is theirs 100%.

Don't worry gopher should be along shortly to tell us how well the ACA is working .

 

[EagleSmack]

Oh I'm sure

 

[BaalsTears]

Born Ruff,

Do you think that Tort Reform should have been made part of the ACA?

 

[BornRuff]

They had all year to write a bill without GOP interference. The Democrats chose to pass a destructive bill all on their own out of arrogance. The blame is theirs 100%.

This seems to be the most concrete statement yet where you admit that there was GOP "interference" when the bill was passed.

I mean, logically, this statement would make no sense if there was no interference after that initial year.

 

[EagleSmack]

This seems to be the most concrete statement yet where you admit that there was GOP "interference" when the bill was passed.

Lies and misquoting me cannot help you either.


What I said...

They had all year to write a bill without GOP interference. The Democrats chose to pass a destructive bill all on their own out of arrogance. The blame is theirs 100%.

... without GOP interference. The Democrats did it all themselves. The GOP had no input on the bill.


You FAIL

I mean, logically, this statement would make no sense if there was no interference after that initial year.

There was none... the Democrats owned both houses and could and did do whatever they want. Including writing Obamacare all by themselves and passing it all by themselves.


The blame rests solely and exclusively on the Democrats.

 

[pgs]

Lies and misquoting me cannot help you either.


What I said...





... without GOP interference. The Democrats did it all themselves. The GOP had no input on the bill.


You FAIL




There was none... the Democrats owned both houses and could and did do whatever they want. Including writing Obamacare all by themselves and passing it all by themselves.


The blame rests solely and exclusively on the Democrats.

We'll have to pass the bill to see what' in it .


LOL

 

[B00Mer]

ObamaCare will cost the Dems the Senate...

Sen. Tom Coburn declared Tuesday that Obamacare is "a failure already" only a month after taking effect and will not accomplish the goal of improving access to healthcare.

"Obamacare is designed to fail," the Oklahoma Republican said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"If you're really wanting to improve the access to healthcare, in terms of a way that gives people access, it's not going to accomplish it."

Saying it was "a failure already," he called it a "seven to one loser for people," referring to initial figures revealing that for every newly insured person, seven people who previously had insurance had lost coverage because of new standards laid out in the law.

"The reason it isn't going to work is because you're trying to dictate and mandate into the insurance industry something that's going to eventually collapse the insurance industry," Coburn said.

"I think we went the exact wrong direction with the Affordable Care Act. It's actually unaffordable," he added.

As an alternative, Coburn, along with Republican Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina and Orin Hatch of Utah, released a series of proposals Monday designed to address healthcare problems.

Coburn indicated their legislative ideas, outlined in a measure they call the Patient Choice Affordability, Responsibility and Empowerment Act, "won't cost anything," and would actually save money over time.

The measure, he said, focuses on personal choice but includes "great protections that were in the Affordable Care Act, in terms of pre-existing illness."

"(We) created a way so people can have their own personal choice, make their own decisions, rather than the government making decisions for them," he said.

Coburn, a physician by trade, announced earlier this month that he plans to retire at the end of this year because of a continuing battle with prostate cancer. He had previously announced that he would not run for a third term in 2016.

SCource Coburn: Obamacare is 'A Failure Already'

Urgent: Should Obamacare Be Repealed? Vote Here Now!

 

[BornRuff]

Lies and misquoting me cannot help you either.


What I said...





... without GOP interference. The Democrats did it all themselves. The GOP had no input on the bill.


You FAIL




There was none... the Democrats owned both houses and could and did do whatever they want. Including writing Obamacare all by themselves and passing it all by themselves.


The blame rests solely and exclusively on the Democrats.

How does your statement make any sense if you are not implying that there was interference after that year?

Why didn't you say there was no interference ever?

 

[EagleSmack]

How does your statement make any sense if you are not implying that there was interference after that year?

Why didn't you say there was no interference ever?

You are having serious comprehending problems. You are no longer making sense. You have lost.


Again... what I said...

They had all year to write a bill without GOP interference. The Democrats chose to pass a destructive bill all on their own out of arrogance. The blame is theirs 100%.

The Democrats in the US Congress created and passed Obamacare and it was signed into law by a Democrat President. Not one Republican voted for Obamacare.


The blame of this disastrous law rest solely and exclusively on the Democrats.