While others can't get their act together the populace are up to their a** in snow.
The entire city of Toronto needs to give its collective head a shake.
The entire city of Toronto needs to give its collective head a shake.
Rob Ford Doesn't Care About Toronto People
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You're assuming there's no political motivation.
But you're also assuming he's making the right call, based on him having been hired. Well, Ford was 'hired' too. Lots of people who are hired do crappy jobs.
So, without knowing what resources they got shorted on, the only thing I know is that Ford was expected to give up his job because of a storm.
I am not assuming anything. You are assuming political motivation and now even that he is bad at his job, and telling me to prove you wrong. The fact is there has never been a hint of evidence that John Livey is anything but an extremely competent public servant.
In an emergency we don't need our leaders preoccupied by thoughts of who might be out to get them. They need to solely focus on what is best for the city.
The fact that Ford lost his powers to act in the event of an emergency is a separate issue that should be dealt worried about when we are not in the middle of something like this.
Which is exactly why the choice to put conditions on it the way they did, was shoddy political maneuvering on the part of city council.
Now, the assertion is that Mayor Ford doesn't care about Toronto, and that he has cheated them out of resources through his action.
What has he denied them, and what resources were missed out on?
It is Ford's choice to be paranoid and self obsessed. Council made a pretty logical choice not to entrust direction of the city in a crisis to a man who has given us good reason to worry that he may be off in a drunken stupor or high on crack when duty calls.
For the 20th time though, I am not an expert in the particulars of what resources are available in what situation, so I have to defer to the experts on that one. Ford is not an expert in these matters but there are staff at the city who are.
Declared an emergency, called in the military, ground to a halt for like a month........
yeah, think population, the elderly and the disabled
hell yeah, christmas jingles, bobble head dolls... the guy is the biggest target around....
still has 37% support though
Apparently.
Well, I'd prefer to not make a decision on someone's action, based on the unsubstantiated 'because I say so' of someone else. If he has cheated the city, it shouldn't be hard to explain what he cheated them out of.
Aha! A local. Maybe you can tell me... what did Ford's inaction prevent for the elderly, disabled, and population at large?
The deputy city manager wanted him to declare an emergency so that they could get access to more resources. For the 21st time though, I have to defer to the experts on this one.
All I can say for certain is that city staff responsible for emergency management came to him asking him to declare a state of emergency so that they could get access to more resources, and he refused to do that. I would think that we would want all the resources that we can get our hands on at the moment.
Nah not a local, TO is way too big for me...too much humanity crushed into too little geographical space.
Don't know what his inaction prompted if anything at all.This thing with Ford will just continue to be a p issing match between the boys.
The point I was addressing was petros who said:" I've never seen a prairie, Quebec or northern ON city grind to a halt because winter happened." And I am sure he hasn't. But one can not come the prairies to TO the largest city in Canada...apples and oranges so what is appropriate in one situation is not appropriate in another.
Defer to the experts all you want. Until someone can actually say 'this is what he shorted the people of Toronto on', and prove its necessity, I'm not about to judge his decision to keep his job.
I've seen plenty of cases where people want maximum resources for their department, despite it being unnecessary and even ill advised, so, simply saying 'the manager wanted it', is not 'proof' that I should see it as a strike against Ford.
Oh, and btw, I don't really care how many times you repeat yourself without giving more to the debate than repetition. I raised toddlers.
Did you miss the part where Ford is always in the wrong and anyone who opposes him is beyond reproach? I bet you missed that part.
Imagine those terrible twos!8O
Many people of TO are yapping that it's taking and going to take too long to get the hydro on.
The ice on the ground is making for slow going for both those trying to clear the trees and the lineman.
It may have been the Deputy Mayor who suggested the military be called in to help clear the trees which is the biggest obstacle but Ford says everythings fine............well at his house..............
The ice on the ground is making for slow going for both those trying to clear the trees and the lineman.
It may have been the Deputy Mayor who suggested the military be called in to help clear the trees which is the biggest obstacle but Ford says everythings fine............well at his house..............
Do you realize you are doing the exact same thing? Stomping your feet and demanding info that I have told you numerous times I do not have, all while ignoring the information that we do have. It would really be pointless information for us anyways since neither you nor I have demonstrated any knowledge of what exactly is needed to respond to an ice storm like this.
All we really know is that Ford turned down an opportunity to get resources that his staff said they needed to respond to a crisis. Ford is in no way an expert on these matters, so what would he have based his decision on? He is an expert on playing politics though, and based on what happened, that seems like what he was doing. This is not the time to be pinching pennies.
Best case scenerio here is that he forced Kelley and Wynn to work around him yet again, and we really don't need more obstacles in this situation. At worst he seems to be actively hindering the situation, doing things like tweeting that people should call 911 if they see a downed power line, something that police specifically pleaded with the public not to do.
So how a leader responds to a crisis is not a legitimate thing to judge them on anymore?
Deputy manager makes recommendations - he does not implement policy.
And no word on how TO is losing out without a Declared State of Emergency.
As to politics- damn straight it is being played.
re:the Subject Line-the simple truth is that few outside of Toronto care about the place or the people in it-it was ever thus.
I told you that at least 4 different times but it apparently wont get into your head.
My argument was never about specific resources, it is about how Ford responded when his staff said they needed something to help them respond to the crisis.
Lets be clear though, Ford wouldn't be giving up his job if he declared a state of emergency. He would still be the mayor with all the rights and responsibilities enshrined to him by law.
The only thing that would happen is that Norm would take the lead on this issue for the few days that we are in the state of emergency. The powers to act in an emergency are not legally assigned to the mayor, but delegated to him by council. He lost the confidence of council. They can't be sure that when he is needed he wont be off somewhere in a drunken stupor or high. Hell, there were even questions about nobody knowing where Ford was all morning on Sunday.