Toronto Police obtain crack video of Ford

Zipperfish

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What happens to other City of Toronto employees with drug and alcohol problems?

They move out of the disciplinary stream and into they medical stream. You can't discipline them, because it's a medical issue. You are, however, under no obligation to put that person into a position they can't manage. So, if someone says they're an alcoholic, you are not obliged, for example, to allow them to keep flying 747s. Typically you try to accomodate them. Occassionally they get better; more often they stay the same or get worse. At the end of the day, if there is no position that they can manage, you are not obligated to keep them employed.
 

karrie

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Everything when it comes to "you have to give them help".

Says who?



Dealing with employee addictions | Benefits Canada

The pertinent bit....

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Substance abuse is recognized under employment law as a disability, and accordingly, employers need to assist and accommodate these employees before terminating their employment. As a result, many employers struggle with the extent to which they must accommodate these employees. In Canada, employment law requires accommodation “to the extent of undue hardship.”
 

petros

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They move out of the disciplinary stream and into they medical stream. You can't discipline them, because it's a medical issue. You are, however, under no obligation to put that person into a position they can't manage. So, if someone says they're an alcoholic, you are not obliged, for example, to allow them to keep flying 747s. Typically you try to accomodate them. Occassionally they get better; more often they stay the same or get worse. At the end of the day, if there is no position that they can manage, you are not obligated to keep them employed.
Or sent down the road with no hopes for EI. Where does the "obligated" part come into play for elected officials in postions of trust?

Dealing with employee addictions | Benefits Canada

The pertinent bit....

Legal matters
Substance abuse is recognized under employment law as a disability, and accordingly, employers need to assist and accommodate these employees before terminating their employment. As a result, many employers struggle with the extent to which they must accommodate these employees. In Canada, employment law requires accommodation “to the extent of undue hardship.”

Who is the Mayor's boss?
 

Zipperfish

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Or sent down the road with no hopes for EI. Where does the "obligated" part come into play for elected officials in postions of trust?

I don't think he can handle the responsbility of mayor with his substance issues. So council is right to step in. However, he is not just an employee, but an elected official, so if the good people of Toronto vote him back in again, then Robert's yer Father's Brother and he's mayor again.

Is it a concerted effort on the part of Torontonians to make the jester king? :lol:
 

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At around noon, one of the mayor’s political allies tweeted a motion that urges Mr. Ford to take “a temporary leave of absence to address his personal issues.”

The motion, drafted by Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong and seconded by Peter Milczyn – both members of the mayor’s powerful executive council – lays out a stinging case against the mayor based on evidence in a recently released police document.

“The evidence presented to date suggests the Mayor has a substance abuse problem,” it reads. “The Mayor consorts with known criminal and/or individuals involved in the sale and distribution of drugs. The Mayor misled the residents of the City of Toronto with regard to the existence of a video in which he was involved and/or participated in the use of crack cocaine.

“We as a Council believe the Mayor’s conduct is unacceptable and must stop. He is hurting himself. He is hurting the City of Toronto.”

The motion also recommends that the mayor apologize for “misleading the City of Toronto” regarding the existence of an alleged video showing him smoking what appears to be crack cocaine, co-operate with police, apologize for writing a character reference for his friend and alleged drug dealer Alexander Lisi, answer questions from Council.

The motion is expected to go before council on Nov. 14.

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford to make announcement after admitting: 'Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine' - The Globe and Mail
 

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Ford is done. He is in an untenable position once he admitted to smoking Crack
cocaine. Under this admission he is also telling the world he is a political liar.
That is not a surprise admitting your a political liar is just not done. It makes all the
other political liars insecure.
The problem is the other politicians won't want to associate with him at any level as
his is too high in negative profile. It is worse than that. he said yes I did crack cocaine.
but I am not an addict. That is denial of the worst kind, its political denial.
I always thought he was addicted to KFC and Boston Pizza now he admitted Sunday
he has been drunk in public places and now cocaine use. Remember the guys in the
photos? One at least is dead and the other charged with criminal offences.
Gordon Campbell survived a drunk driving charge but this is way beyond that.
Any Ford Friends still defending this guy? There likely will be he has hypnotized some
into believing almost anything it appears
 

karrie

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Or sent down the road with no hopes for EI. Where does the "obligated" part come into play for elected officials in postions of trust?



Who is the Mayor's boss?


Whoever is in the position to strip him of his position, which would be the council. Regardless, you asked how the city deals with drug addicted employees, not drug addicted mayors
 

karrie

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It's a neat article, and if it can be proven, grounds for him being turfed for sure. I suspect that's what the police investigations will turn up.... proof that he caved to coercion, or spent City of Toronto money or resources on fighting coercion.
 

mentalfloss

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Terrible apology speech he just made.

He went into campaign mode and journalists were laughing at him after he gave his blessing.
 

JLM

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It's about trust Karrie. It's not about how well the city is running, what he does on his spare time while hanging out with drug dealers. It's about trust.

Well, that's right, Petros. Once he's found out lying about one thing, you always wonder what else he lies about. Who says his crack smoking was done off the job? Was he under the influence of it any time while on the job? Well, now the electorate knows what they are dealing with and can make the appropriate decision on election day.
 

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I'm pretty sure none of these loons would give a flying **** if the chief expressed his disappointment in some random thug's actions. When he has evidence that involves the mayor though - it's a deliberate attempt to interfere with the political process lol
Ya because so many random thugs are political entities, lolz.

Do actually think about what you post before you post it?

Rhetorical, the above post made it acutely obvious you don't. lolz.

What I find extremely funny is that the same gang who are jumping all over Rob Ford about lying in regard to the video and alleged drug abuse are the same gang who blew off Bill Clinton lying about having a sexual affair with an intern.
And haven't shown a smidgen of the same angst and outrage at 1.1 billion dollars being tossed away for Liberal votes, lol.

Did he put himself in a position that led to him compromising his post as mayor?
Nope. Did a bang up job. Even for a crackhead.

Kinda makes you wonder what the last mayor was smoking, lol.

But, unless it's proven that he was compromised, then 'trust', an intangible, fluctuating emotion, does not factor in to whether he should be stripped of power right now, imo. Proof is needed for that.
There is none, all they partisans have is emotion and their partisan nonsense, lol.

Sorry, you just sounded confused. lol.
He always does, you'll get used to it.

Terrible apology speech he just made.
U sound mad bro, lolz.

CUZ HE STILL DA MAYOR!!!

LOLZ!



I can just see you partisan pot smoking hipster hypocrites going apoplectic when he said "I ain't goin' anywhere".

I'm surprised you actually managed to type that sad little blurb through the tears, lolz!
 

JLM

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Ford is done. He is in an untenable position once he admitted to smoking Crack
cocaine. Under this admission he is also telling the world he is a political liar.
That is not a surprise admitting your a political liar is just not done. It makes all the
other political liars insecure.
The problem is the other politicians won't want to associate with him at any level as
his is too high in negative profile. It is worse than that. he said yes I did crack cocaine.
but I am not an addict. That is denial of the worst kind, its political denial.
I always thought he was addicted to KFC and Boston Pizza now he admitted Sunday
he has been drunk in public places and now cocaine use. Remember the guys in the
photos? One at least is dead and the other charged with criminal offences.
Gordon Campbell survived a drunk driving charge but this is way beyond that.
Any Ford Friends still defending this guy? There likely will be he has hypnotized some
into believing almost anything it appears

Don't hold your breath Grumpy, he is just one example of a problem that is running rampant in today's society. I'm beginning to wonder what the correlation is between this problem (and alcohol) and the $120-$240 an hour service charges we are being hit with, as I imagine a lot of work gets "screwed up".

Since this latest revelation, I'm expecting to see a deluge from "His Nibs" any minute now! -:)