Could Turks and Caicos be Canada’s 11th province?

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Many of the wars, at the behest of Empires, in which Canada has been involved were chimeric at best. The Boer War, World War 1, and Afghanistan are three of note. A good war of conquest initiated by our dear leaders, without great power interference or approval, might be just what the doctor ordered. After all, our national glue -hockey fights are being questioned.

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Now you show your ignorance. Most of Canada would gladly be rid of Quebec but they keep voting to stay. See we give them the choice and they vote to remain Canadian.

Most Brits will be gladly rid of Scotland, but unfortunately they are going to vote against independence next year.
 

gerryh

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And you think the Canadian Government should control them. So what's the difference?


Actually, the union proposal would have them become a Canadian Province or Territory. Both options would give them elected MP's in Parliament, plus federal transfers and everything else that all Canadian citizens enjoy. Do they have elected representation in the British Parliament right now?
 

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:roll: Ya, and there are some idiots here that would like Canada to go back to being a british protectorate and some that would like to see Canada merge with the u.s.

I'm of the opinion that all Canada should become British again.

The only one that has been talking "invasion" and "military" has been
you.

How is Canada going to acquire foreign territory without militarily invading it?

Don't say in a referendum, cos 99% of the British people of the Turks and Caicos Islands will vote AGAINST becoming Canadian, just as the vast majority of the Falkland Islanders voted against becoming Argie, and the vast majority of the Gibraltareans voted against becoming Spanish, both peoples wishing to remain British.

Don't be too wishful for a referendum on the Turks and Caicos Islands. It'll be as humiliating a result for Canada as the referenda on Gibraltar and the Falklands were humiliating for Spain and Argentina.

Like Spain and Argentina, the ONLY was Canada can get the Turks and Caicos Islands is through a military invasion.

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Good. Bring it on. A few thousand Mounties will be no match for several Type 45 destroyers and three Gurkhas.

You'd **** yourself and run, like the Argies did in the Falklands. The Argies were so terrified of the British Gurkhas that on at least one occasion they turned tail and ran even even without seeing the Gurkhas. Just being told the Gurkhas were waiting for them terrified them so much.
 

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Like Spain and Argentina, the ONLY was Canada can get the Turks and Caicos Islands is through a military invasion.


You are the only one suggesting this. No one else has, and at no time since 1917 has it been suggested that Canada militarily "invade" the Islands.
 

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Actually, the union proposal would have them become a Canadian Province or Territory. Both options would give them elected MP's in Parliament, plus federal transfers and everything else that all Canadian citizens enjoy. Do they have elected representation in the British Parliament right now?

The people of T&C have petitioned the Canadian government in the past to become a Canadian protectorate. With Canadian citizenship, the entire population will move to Toronto.
 

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You are the only one suggesting this. No one else has, and at no time since 1917 has it been suggested that Canada militarily "invade" the Islands.

Well Ive said that a military invasion is the only way Canada can get the islands. How else is it going to get them?
 

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If that happened you'd be one of the first crying "imperialism!"

If you believe that, then you don't know me. You'd only need to read my posts on other threads to see that I'd be more than happy to see a greater union. To me, Canadian sovereignty is a form of imprisonment. If Canada and other countries could share a greater sovereignty, it would expand our freedom significantly.

To me, a country is merely the administration of the state and nothing more. my patriotism is universal, not to be confused with blind nationalism. In fact, I'd be in favour of some form of Anglo-Canadian union in principle at least.


I doubt you'd be too happy were that to happen. It's alright for you to bang on about the the "rights" of the Turks and Caicos Islanders to decide whether or not they want to be Canadian, but if a British MP proposed a referendum for the people of Alberta or Saskatchewan to decide whether or not they want to remain Canadian or become British you'd be the first to bang on about "British imperialism".

If it were just a proposal, not at all.

I suppose it's different, though, when it comes to ADDING to Canadian territory rather than taking away. You're just an imperialist.

Like I said, to me government is just the administration of the people. I care more about how it actually affets the people.

And remember, the Turks and Caicos Islanders are British citizens. To even think that they may want to ditch their British passports for poxy Canadian ones just smacks of arrogance.

Perhaps. But still, they have a chance to turn it down, no?



Why should they be given the right to decide? They are British citizens on British territory. I doubt the Canadian Government would be very willing to allow the people of Alberta to decide on whether they want to become British.



A Canadian invasion of the islands is the only way it's going to get them.[/QUOTE]
 

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The people of T&C have petitioned the Canadian government in the past to become a Canadian protectorate. With Canadian citizenship, the entire population will move to Toronto.


I don't have a problem with that either. ;)

I see though that our resident brit, through all his blustering ( which seems to be what brits are best at) has conveniently ignored my question concerning T&C representation in their Parliament. Could it be that the brits don't feel T&C are good enough to have elected representation?

Well Ive said that a military invasion is the only way Canada can get the islands. How else is it going to get them?


Through a democratic vote by the citizens of T&C. If they vote to stay with the status quo, so be it.
 

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I don't have a problem with that either. ;)

I see though that our resident brit, through all his blustering ( which seems to be what brits are best at) has conveniently ignored my question concerning T&C representation in their Parliament. Could it be that the brits don't feel T&C are good enough to have elected representation?

"T&C" doesn't need representation in the British parliament. They've got their own parliament.

Through a democratic vote by the citizens of T&C. If they vote to stay with the status quo, so be it.

As I've already pointed out: such a referendum may be as humiliating for Canada as the Gibraltar and Falkland Islands referenda were for Spain and Argentina.
 

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I'm of the opinion that all Canada should become British again.


What could you possibly offer?

Like Spain and Argentina, the ONLY was Canada can get the Turks and Caicos Islands is through a military invasion.

Good. Bring it on. A few thousand Mounties will be no match for several Type 45 destroyers and three Gurkhas.

We'll mobilize our fleet of subs from West Edmonton Mall.

By the by, we'll see how your Gurkhas fair against the same folks that had tremendous success against the Nazis despite the abject failure of Britain's best.


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What could you possibly offer?

Culture; better television; less gun crime; better music.

We'll mobilize our fleet of subs from West Edmonton Mall.

And what subs would they be? The Upholder-class?



By the by, we'll see how your Gurkhas fair against the same folks that had
tremendous success against the Nazis despite the abject failure of Britain's
best.








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It shouldn't be too difficult defeating them, considering they were disbanded in 1944.
 

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"T&C" doesn't need representation in the British parliament. They've got their own parliament.



As I've already pointed out: such a referendum may be as humiliating for Canada as the Gibraltar and Falkland Islands referenda were for Spain and Argentina.

They decided not to join Canada and we're happy with the decision. But our friendly offer still stands.

You see? Very different from your 'stay-away-from-my-wife-or-I'll-break-your-legs' attitude you seem to be demonstrating here.

If Britain wants to be friendly with any Canadian province, we welcome it. We're just not as green-eyed with envy as you are. We know they are happy to be in Canada. Do you have any secret doubts about T&C? 'faird they might take us up on our offer? :)
 

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They decided not to join Canada and we're happy with the decision. But our friendly offer still stands.

You see? Very different from your 'stay-away-from-my-wife-or-I'll-break-your-legs' attitude you seem to be demonstrating here.

I think Britain has got every right to tell Canada to stay away from BRITISH TERRITORY.

We're just not as green-eyed with envy as you are.

If anyone's envious here, it's you. At the end of the day Britain has the Turks and Caicos Islands and Canada wants them.

We know they are happy to be in Canada. Do you have any secret doubts about T&C? 'faird they might take us up on our offer? :)

No. I have no worries that the Turks and Caicos Islanders - British citizens - will vote in a referendum to become Canadian. Such a referendum will only end in humiliation for Canada, just as the Falklands and Gibraltar referenda ended in humiliation for Argentina and Spain. The British people on those islands showed no willingness to become Argie and Spanish and I dare say the British people on the Turks and Caicos Islands will also show no willingness to become Canadian.
 

gerryh

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"T&C" doesn't need representation in the British parliament. They've got their own parliament.


Then, what exactly do they get from britain?


As I've already pointed out: such a referendum may be as humiliating for Canada as the Gibraltar and Falkland Islands referendum were for Spain and Argentina.

There would be no humiliation for Canada. Any more than there is humiliation for Canada because the T&C Prime Minister said no to looking any further into the proposal. It was an idea that was thrown out there. An idea that has been declined at this time. No big deal. At least no big deal to us. It apparently is a big deal to you. It's that tiny di ck syndrome rearing it's ugly head again.
 

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According to the CIA, the per-capita GDP of the T&C is $29 100.
Canada's is $42 533.
Under the queen, those poverty-stricken T&C are not faring well. Well, until they say "Farewell" to Britain.
 

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I don't have a problem with that either. ;)

I see though that our resident brit, through all his blustering ( which seems to be what brits are best at) has conveniently ignored my question concerning T&C representation in their Parliament. Could it be that the brits don't feel T&C are good enough to have elected representation?




Through a democratic vote by the citizens of T&C. If they vote to stay with the status quo, so be it.

I think BL makes it quite clear by his statements. To him the people of T&C are just a bunch of wogs to be held in slavery under the British ruling class.

Right BL. You dont belive they should even be allowed an opinion on their own future.

I think you should go suck Charlie's c*ck while Lizzie fingers herself and watches.
 

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Then, what exactly do they get from britain?

Britain is reponsible for the islands' defence and foreign affairs. In other words, Britain defends the islands from invasion by envious countries like Canada.

There would be no humiliation for Canada.
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If 99.8% of the British citizens of the islands, in a 92% turnout, voted against becoming Canadian, just as 99.8% of the British citizens, in a 92% turnout, of the Falkland Islands voted against becoming Argentinian back in March, that'll be pretty humiliating for Canada. Talk about feeling unwanted.

And then just imagine what I'd be like.

I think BL makes it quite clear by his statements. To him the people of T&C are just a bunch of wogs to be held in slavery under the British ruling class.

Right BL. You dont belive they should even be allowed an opinion on their own future.

I think you should go suck Charlie's c*ck while Lizzie fingers herself and watches.

Can you give me any evidence that slavery exists on the islands?

The British, remember, were the first people in the world to permanently ban slavery.