US Government is Closed!

Cobalt_Kid

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blah blah racist blah blah black president.

Looks like someone is trying to over compensate again.

Yes, perish the thought that race has ever been an issue in America.

Or that it still doesn't remain one.

It's sad that the party that fought so hard for the 13th Amendment has become hijacked by an astro-turf movement backed by some of the most bigoted people in America.
 

B00Mer

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It's sad that the party that fought so hard for the 13th Amendment has become hijacked by an astro-turf movement backed by some of the most bigoted people in America.

Whaaaaaat! Bigoted because they don't agree with a "Black President" - so if he was a white guy and people didn't agree with him, what does your liberal dictionary use then??

So if it was Mrs. Clinton we will be called chauvinists.. LOL :lol:
 

EagleSmack

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Yes, perish the thought that race has ever been an issue in America.

Or that it still doesn't remain one.

Yes that is what I said.

It's sad that the party that fought so hard for the 13th Amendment has become hijacked by an astro-turf movement backed by some of the most bigoted people in America.

What's sad is that people have used the words racist and bigot for everything and anything against people for simply having a different political opinion. So much so that it makes everyone simply laugh. You calling the GOP racist and bigots is meaningless.
 

Christianna

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Why would they sue? And what does it say about you and society that you would think of that above other issues?
Under discussion was the fact that people breached the barriers at a national monument. If someone got hurt they would blame the government , not themselves which is typical of some people. What it says is I don't have much respect for lawless people. They timed their rebellion for the minute the government shut down, what does that say about them?
 

B00Mer

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Assad and Putin beat Obama.

Obama negotiated with Iran.. :roll: but he won't negotiate with the Republicans, calling them terrorists..

Obama is a spineless twit... keep the government closed..

 

PoliticalNick

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Under discussion was the fact that people breached the barriers at a national monument. If someone got hurt they would blame the government , not themselves which is typical of some people. What it says is I don't have much respect for lawless people. They timed their rebellion for the minute the government shut down, what does that say about them?

They had been planing the trip for a long time. It was just a matter of coincident timing they arrived that morning but many veterans trips arrive there on many mornings. Personally I think that it is a grotesque misuse of govt funds and resources to close any open air monument or national park at any time other than a disaster. I spend lots of time in Jasper park and hardly ever have interaction with any staff. I do not understand why people are not being allowed to the Grand Canyon and such places just because a few park rangers are not working.

Now back to the topic of suing someone. I absolutely detest this part of society today. Somebody trips on a curb and thinks the city should pay them millions for not watching where they put their feet. If I were a judge these days I would be tossing most of these idiotic cases out and threatening to throw people in jail until they got the idea of personal responsibility.
 

damngrumpy

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It is time for America to join the other developed nations and get on
wit medicare. Once people get used to it the numbers of support will be
overwhelming and the Republicans will take the hit for this. Unfortunately
they let the yahoo Tea Party gain control. Tea Party indeed they are
destroying the sane conservative voice in that nation. Mid terms democrats
are waiting for the election. And to make matters worse Christy who is a
reasonable voice most of the time gave comments that shows he does not
know how the system works. Obama is not the boss of Congress or Senate.
those branches have equal powers in most cases.
 

PoliticalNick

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So watching this thing on CNN where some reporter is on the streets somewhere. Most of the people he talked to were against Obamacare but for the Affordable Healthcare Bill! :roll:

I guess it really is the United Stupid of America!
 

pgs

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It is time for America to join the other developed nations and get on
wit medicare. Once people get used to it the numbers of support will be
overwhelming and the Republicans will take the hit for this. Unfortunately
they let the yahoo Tea Party gain control. Tea Party indeed they are
destroying the sane conservative voice in that nation. Mid terms democrats
are waiting for the election. And to make matters worse Christy who is a
reasonable voice most of the time gave comments that shows he does not
know how the system works. Obama is not the boss of Congress or Senate.
those branches have equal powers in most cases.
You know Grump the last tea party started a fine war of Independence.
It seems from my readings from that time for the most part the loyalists that fled to Canada and the Louisiana Territory were
tax collectors, and educators and first generation British gentry. The result was the creation of a new system of no taxation without
representation, why should people not be able to have representation for wanting to return to their roots?
Didn't Haley get rich returning to his Roots?
In my humble opinion any one who is calling for less tax is A O K with me.
And I don't care what race or religion they are.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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You know Grump the last tea party started a fine war of Independence.
It seems from my readings from that time for the most part the loyalists that fled to Canada and the Louisiana Territory were
tax collectors, and educators and first generation British gentry. The result was the creation of a new system of no taxation without
representation, why should people not be able to have representation for wanting to return to their roots?
Didn't Haley get rich returning to his Roots?
In my humble opinion any one who is calling for less tax is A O K with me.
And I don't care what race or religion they are.

The Tea Party is astro-turf for billionaires and big tobbaco, what they really stand for is protecting the wealth of a tiny minority of Americans who can afford to create their own political movements.

Brendan DeMelle: Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaire Koch Brothers

A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene.

Far from a genuine grassroots uprising, this astroturf effort was curated by wealthy industrialists years in advance. Many of the anti-science operatives who defended cigarettes are currently deploying their tobacco-inspired playbook internationally to evade accountability for the fossil fuel industry's role in driving climate disruption.

The study, funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health, traces the roots of the Tea Party's anti-tax movement back to the early 1980s when tobacco companies began to invest in third party groups to fight excise taxes on cigarettes, as well as health studies finding a link between cancer and secondhand cigarette smoke.
 

Kreskin

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Why would they sue? And what does it say about you and society that you would think of that above other issues?
You don't think liability is a huge factor in our society? The OP pointed out what should be obvious, but given the response I guess it isn't.
 

PoliticalNick

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You don't think liability is a huge factor in our society? The OP pointed out what should be obvious, but given the response I guess it isn't.

Am I missing something here. You think a city or a state is liable because someone trips on a sidewalk or a step? Or are you saying the govt might be liable if there is a riot?

The only reason people think liability is such a big deal is because a bunch of money hungry people and their money hungry lawyers have convinced a bunch of moronic judges that people just cannot be responsible in any way for their own stupid! We have created a society of 'somebody has to pay' for any mistake I might make.

I think it is time to change this culture to one of personal responsibility. If someone jumps a fence and then hurts themselves they do not get to sue. If I beat the crap out of a burglar in my home he doesn't get to sue. If you trip over the friken sidewalk because your clumsy or stupid you don't get to sue.

The only way the liability game will ever stop is if sane and reasonable people stand up against the stupid and their cash-grabs.
 

gopher

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blah blah racist blah blah black president.

Looks like someone is trying to over compensate again.







same old shït, again

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Cobalt_Kid; said:
The Tea Party is astro-turf for billionaires and big tobbaco, what they really stand for is protecting the wealth of a tiny minority of Americans who can afford to create their own political movements.

Brendan DeMelle: Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaire Koch Brothers




Tea Baggers have had their day:



Tea Party Support Dwindles to Near-Record Low

Republicans ambivalent about movement, while most Democrats oppose it







Tea Party Support Dwindles to Near-Record Low






PRINCETON, NJ -- As Washington braces for another budget showdown, this time with the threat of defunding the new healthcare law in the mix, the key political force pushing for conservative policies sees diminished popular support. Fewer Americans now describe themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement than did at the height of the movement in 2010, or even at the start of 2012. Today's 22% support nearly matches the record low found two years ago.
In November 2010, days after the Republicans recaptured the majority in the House of Representatives, 32% of Americans pledged support for the Tea Party, or 10 percentage points higher than in the latest survey, conducted Sept. 5-8.
Opponents of the Tea Party now outnumber supporters 27% to 22%, which is similar to their edge in 2012. However this differs from most of Gallup's earlier measurements, in 2010 and 2011, when supporters and opponents were either equally matched, or Tea Party backers had the slight edge.
Fully half of Americans, 51%, currently say they are neither a supporter nor an opponent of the Tea Party, or they have no opinion about it.




Strong Tea Party Opponents Outnumber Strong Supporters



In addition to their overall advantage in numbers, opponents of the Tea Party also lead supporters in intensity. The majority of Tea Party opponents call themselves strong opponents, while supporters are evenly divided as strong and not strong supporters. The net result is that 17% of Americans consider themselves strong opponents of the Tea Party, contrasted with 11% who are strong supporters, similar to the balance seen in 2011.
Tea Party Supporters Ambivalent About GOP, and Vice Versa
The poll suggests that the partnership between the Tea Party and the Republican Party may be waning. Although some of the Tea Party's most visible representatives in politics today are associated with the Republican Party, and while rank-and-file Republicans are more likely to call themselves supporters than opponents of the Tea Party movement -- a far greater number identify as neither.
To be sure, this is much more positive than Democrats' views of the Tea Party, with a majority describing themselves as opponents of the political movement. However, it is also far less supportive than three years ago, when two-thirds of Republicans identified as Tea Party supporters.
Similarly, just as Republicans are mixed in their views of the Tea Party, Tea Party supporters themselves have mixed views about the Republican Party: 55% hold a favorable view of it and 43% an unfavorable view. This contrasts with the highly positive views toward the GOP expressed by Republicans, with 79% rating it favorably, and 19% unfavorably. Tea Party supporters and Republicans are aligned however, in their broadly unfavorable reaction to the Democratic Party.
Bottom Line
U.S. support for the Tea Party is at a low ebb at a time when key issues of concern for the movement -- funding for the Affordable Care Act and raising the U.S. debt ceiling -- are focal points in Washington, with Tea Party-backed Sen. Ted Cruz prominently fighting both policies. The discomfort he has created in the Republican caucus is merely emblematic of the ambivalence national Republicans feel toward the movement. Although few Republicans outright oppose the Tea Party, far more are neutral toward it than support it.
Notably, while Tea Party supporters and activists may not be fully satisfied with the GOP, they feel just as negatively as Republicans do about the Democratic Party, indicating they have little alternative in national elections. However, their frustration with the GOP could result in more Tea Party-backed conservative challenges to Republican incumbents who don't embrace Tea Party principles.
Survey Methods
Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Sept. 5-8, 2013, with a random sample of 1,510 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.
For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.
Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 50% cellphone respondents and 50% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by region. Landline and cell telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.
Samples are weighted to correct for unequal selection probability, nonresponse, and double coverage of landline and cell users in the two sampling frames. They are also weighted to match the national demographics of gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, population density, and phone status (cellphone only/landline only/both, and cellphone mostly). Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2012 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older U.S. population. Phone status targets are based on the July-December 2011 National Health Interview Survey. Population density targets are based on the 2010 census. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting.
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
For more details on Gallup's polling methodology, visit www.gallup.com.
















Sayonara Tea Baggers - have a pleasant day and don't let the door hit your back side as you leave ....

 

Kreskin

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Am I missing something here. You think a city or a state is liable because someone trips on a sidewalk or a step? Or are you saying the govt might be liable if there is a riot?

The only reason people think liability is such a big deal is because a bunch of money hungry people and their money hungry lawyers have convinced a bunch of moronic judges that people just cannot be responsible in any way for their own stupid! We have created a society of 'somebody has to pay' for any mistake I might make.

I think it is time to change this culture to one of personal responsibility. If someone jumps a fence and then hurts themselves they do not get to sue. If I beat the crap out of a burglar in my home he doesn't get to sue. If you trip over the friken sidewalk because your clumsy or stupid you don't get to sue.

The only way the liability game will ever stop is if sane and reasonable people stand up against the stupid and their cash-grabs.
Yes, as you said above, we're in a culture of liability. No matter how much we dislike it it has to be taken seriously.