Does God get a fail in the love category?

[MHz]

MHz: I cannot do the pick and choose Bible verse show. This is how every devil on the planet devises schemes of distortion and often without even knowing they are doing so.

Are you saying you don't understand what this prophecy is saying? (in that you can add other references from the Bible that apply to the same things)

De:4:27:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
De:4:28:
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
De:4:29:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

In 30AD that scattering was still a prophecy and in the last verse below the 70AD event was history.

Lu:21:24:
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Jas:1:1:
James,
a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,
greeting.

A little too early to get into this too deep as in all the prophecies listed in the 12 books after Daniel all apply to the day the 7th trump sounds ans the 7 vials are poured out in a few hours on the iron/clay kingdom.

You will soon find out I really stink at analogies.....So, let's say a school teacher assigns a book. Let's say she assings Moby Duck. Yeah, I know I had to say Duck otherwise the accurate title would get astericked. And let's say the students had to write a summary of the book to include plot, character, theme, conflict, resolution and all the other typical summary essentials. If one of the students handed the summary back and reported Ahab sailed the seas in search of the squirrel that ripped his leg from his torso - clearly, that student didn't get it straight and would deserve an F for reading comprehension.

Hope that didn't take up much of your time.

I systematically dismiss the thought that the Bible offers different interpretations. "It's whatever you want it to say". NOT!!! Read with comprehension and if you don't agree, so be it.

I totally agree, it is one document from one author so there is only one true message.

Don't twist the scripture as one would wring a mop. If you don't like what it has to say, be comfortable rejecting it. Don't twist it out of fear to accommodate your conscience.

If I don't understand something I don't dwell on it, I keep raeding and pay close attention to the part I do understand, then later, (be it days, months or years) when I re-read that part it probably will be clear because of the Scripture I read between the two times.

MHz. By the way, I do not know if you are twisting verse. I do not want to accuse you of such as I have not reviewed all that you have written.

I'll let time take care of that aspect.

MHZ I'm curious what you mean by "conversion isn't part of your belief". Are you speaking of being "born again" or something else.

A lot of Christian I have talked to seem to thing because they are a follower then it is their duty to convert others to being believers also.
The 'born-again' thing is a perversion, being born again would put you as being part of the 2nd birth which would make you equal to an Angel. Men today don't even qualify as being 'baptized with the Holy Spirit' if you use what the Apostles experienced as what that term means. I could be called 'blessed' in that Thomas needed proof and I am a follower because of faith that the Bible is just what it claims to be. (plus it shows that God fulfilled the condition below)

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.

read carefully, MHZ

FP, unfortunately, starts threads to trample on other people's beliefs. A perverted version of the Gnostic.

Ever been on a thread where two pre-tribbers are left alone to talk? FP's threads at least invite some sort of reply.

 

[hunboldt]

NO PROBLEM I have with putting your fundie freak and Frenchie's god is in me acts on permanent ignore. MhZ

 

[MHz]

Like they would miss you. lol

 

[cj44]

Are you saying you don't understand what this prophecy is saying? (in that you can add other references from the Bible that apply to the same things)

De:4:27:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
De:4:28:
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
De:4:29:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

In 30AD that scattering was still a prophecy and in the last verse below the 70AD event was history.

Lu:21:24:
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Jas:1:1:
James,
a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,
greeting.

A little too early to get into this too deep as in all the prophecies listed in the 12 books after Daniel all apply to the day the 7th trump sounds ans the 7 vials are poured out in a few hours on the iron/clay kingdom.


Hope that didn't take up much of your time.


I totally agree, it is one document from one author so there is only one true message.


If I don't understand something I don't dwell on it, I keep raeding and pay close attention to the part I do understand, then later, (be it days, months or years) when I re-read that part it probably will be clear because of the Scripture I read between the two times.


I'll let time take care of that aspect.

A lot of Christian I have talked to seem to thing because they are a follower then it is their duty to convert others to being believers also.
The 'born-again' thing is a perversion, being born again would put you as being part of the 2nd birth which would make you equal to an Angel. Men today don't even qualify as being 'baptized with the Holy Spirit' if you use what the Apostles experienced as what that term means. I could be called 'blessed' in that Thomas needed proof and I am a follower because of faith that the Bible is just what it claims to be. (plus it shows that God fulfilled the condition below)

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.


Ever been on a thread where two pre-tribbers are left alone to talk? FP's threads at least invite some sort of reply.

MHZ: Not sure of what you speak as Christians are "charged with the duty" to proclaim the gospel. No one can make a believer out of anyone, but the gospel must go forth. I am uncertain of your born again definition & know not what you speak. I am familar with being born again in the traditional sense. And yes, my really sorry excuse for an analogy did take up a lot of time. I do not claim to rate high on the intelligence scale.

 

[MHz]

MHZ: Not sure of what you speak as Christians are "charged with the duty" to proclaim the gospel. No one can make a believer out of anyone, but the gospel must go forth. I am uncertain of your born again definition & know not what you speak.

I think you are talking about just the Apostles and the Beloved Disciple.
From there the task was to publish the Bible so it made it around the world, that is the duty of the Church, that and relieve the poor of their tribulation as much as possible. Christians are meant to be seen more than heard.

Jas:2:14:
What doth it profit,
my brethren,
though a man say he hath faith,
and have not works?
can faith save him?
Jas:2:15:
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
Jas:2:16:
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?
Jas:2:17:
Even so faith,
if it hath not works,
is dead, being alone.

'We' are not the 'you' in the verse below.

M'r:6:11:
And whosoever shall not receive you,
nor hear you,
when ye depart thence,
shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them.
Verily I say unto you,
It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

I am familar with being born again in the traditional sense. And yes, my really sorry excuse for an analogy did take up a lot of time. I do not claim to rate high on the intelligence scale.

That means what exactly? Certainly it is a step or two below the signs following gift that the writers of the NT had.

M'r:16:16:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
M'r:16:17:
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
M'r:16:18:
They shall take up serpents;
and if they drink any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
M'r:16:19:
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them,
he was received up into heaven,
and sat on the right hand of God.
M'r:16:20:
And they went forth,
and preached every where,
the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.

Joh:20:21:
Then said Jesus to them again,
Peace be unto you:
as my Father hath sent me,
even so send I you.
Joh:20:22:
And when he had said this,
he breathed on them,
and saith unto them,
Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Try using the parables to make your point, or a passage, at least those I can't argue against (in most cases and even then it is just about the meaning) We are both lucky in that God made the sentences quirt short so even us of limited deductive powers can understand what was written.