Wisconsin tribe to protest Redskins name before Packers game

BaalsTears

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Tecumseh said "Shawnee is not a matter of blood. It is a matter of belief."

Everyone makes mistakes in word and/or deed. Even noble people fuk up big time.

Tecumseh was indeed a great man who had a one lapse of judgment that allowed everything he worked for to be destroyed overnight at Tippecanoe. He was away at the time building the great confederation of First Peoples...but he left his moron younger brother in charge of the Shawnee and allied camps. Some prophet Tecumseh's brother turned out to be.
 

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Shawnees are Shawnees for the same reason Canadians are Canadians: the nation accepts them as members. If "Shawnee" is not a legitimate entity, then neither is Canada.

You are the one that stated that it was belief(s) and not blood, so, is the belief of individual or, the belief of the (self proclaimed) societal collective that determines membership?

.. And we still haven't touched on the rightful 'ownership' issues that are ingrained in this issue
 

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You have made that claim a number of times without providing a shred of proof.......

Why dost thou trouble me?

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-10.pdf

Many of the people considered First Peoples by the US Census have so much white blood that they must be considered mixed race at best.

Tecumseh and I disagree about the importance of blood.

I am a member of the white portion of the Caucasian race because all of my ancestors were part of the native and indigenous population of Europe. They stretch back in an unbroken line.

My sons are half white, but their Chinese heritage prevents them from being white. That's fine because I don't think much of white people as a group any longer.

Shawnees are Shawnees for the same reason Canadians are Canadians: the nation accepts them as members. If "Shawnee" is not a legitimate entity, then neither is Canada.

What percentage of Shawnee women who are married to white guys?
 

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What percentage of Shawnee women who are married to white guys?

I'm not sure. Why does it matter?

My grandmother f*cked an Irish guy, and had a kid by him. Never married him, though. My mom'd basically f*ck anybody who would buy her three drinks, white, black, red, yellow, brown, or even the proverbial green or purple. But she never married any of them.

Still somehow managed to have three kids.

Tecumseh and I disagree about the importance of blood.

I'm sure Tecumseh's all busted up about that.
 

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I'm not sure. Why does it matter?

My grandmother f*cked an Irish guy, and had a kid by him. Never married him, though. My mom'd basically f*ck anybody who would buy her three drinks, white, black, red, yellow, brown, or even the proverbial green or purple. But she never married any of them.

Still somehow managed to have three kids.

Cultural identity can be real or it can be an affectation. Culture can be diluted over and over and over again so that the end result doesn't resemble the original in anything other than name. So it was with the Mycenaean Spartans and the Spartans of the Classic Age. The Byzantines fancied themselves to be Romans. We all seek meaning in our heritage even when the quest becomes nothing more than pretense.



I'm sure Tecumseh's all busted up about that.

I suspect Tecumseh means much more to me than to you. I do not say that out of disrespect for you. But you are probably not able to get inside Tecumseh's mind because your circumstances are so different from his.

My circumstances place me in a position analogous to that of Tecumseh. I am part of a declining demographic being overwhelmed by an alien people. Tecumseh faced the same decision as most First Peoples. He could acquiesce and make his way in the new America or he could reject compromise with usurpers and fight to the death. Tecumseh chose resistance. He continued to fight until he was shot of the saddle. I lack the words to adequately express my admiration for Tecumseh and his refusal to surrender.
 

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Why dost thou trouble me?

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-10.pdf

Many of the people considered First Peoples by the US Census have so much white blood that they must be considered mixed race at best.

Tecumseh and I disagree about the importance of blood.

I am a member of the white portion of the Caucasian race because all of my ancestors were part of the native and indigenous population of Europe. They stretch back in an unbroken line.

My sons are half white, but their Chinese heritage prevents them from being white. That's fine because I don't think much of white people as a group any longer.



What percentage of Shawnee women who are married to white guys?

So?
 

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If they want to be Americans they should get off the reserve, get jobs, and pay taxes!

I believe They ARE 'SECURE IN THIER PRESENT IDENTITY, Nick.:lol:
 

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Cultural identity can be real or it can be an affectation. Culture can be diluted over and over and over again so that the end result doesn't resemble the original in anything other than name. So it was with the Mycenaean Spartans and the Spartans of the Classic Age. The Byzantines fancied themselves to be Romans. We all seek meaning in our heritage even when the quest becomes nothing more than pretense.
And by denying that Indians are Indians, you can justify hostile racist terminology.

I suspect Tecumseh means much more to me than to you. I do not say that out of disrespect for you. But you are probably not able to get inside Tecumseh's mind because your circumstances are so different from his.
Nobody is able to get inside anybody's mind.

My circumstances place me in a position analogous to that of Tecumseh. I am part of a declining demographic being overwhelmed by an alien people. Tecumseh faced the same decision as most First Peoples. He could acquiesce and make his way in the new America or he could reject compromise with usurpers and fight to the death. Tecumseh chose resistance. He continued to fight until he was shot of the saddle. I lack the words to adequately express my admiration for Tecumseh and his refusal to surrender.
Draw what laughable analogies you will, your circumstances are also wildly different from Tecumseh's
He wasn't in a saddle, and if you're resisting anything, you've shown no evidence of it.
 

hunboldt

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And by denying that Indians are Indians, you can justify hostile racist terminology.


Nobody is able to get inside anybody's mind.


Draw what laughable analogies you will, your circumstances are also wildly different from Tecumseh's
He wasn't in a saddle, and if you're resisting anything, you've shown no evidence of it.

Actually,I believe he's planning on justifiying another run for the Cherokee outlet..


It doesn't. The argument is that giving a sports team a name that is a term that deliberately denigrates the ethnic group in question "degrades it." To Indians, "redskin" is the semantic equivalent of "n*gger."


And there are team names like "Indians," "Braves," and "Warriors" that none but the most militant malcontents object to.


Viking is not a nationality, it is a profession. This is like saying that the Pittsburgh Pirates or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are offensive to all white people. Argument doesn't hold up.


I agree they have plenty of issues that are more worthy of their time and attention.

its complex "metis' was a derogatory term a century ago, now its used with pride. Mingo originally meant "the treacherous ones'. Now I believe there is a" Mingo identity revival.
 

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its complex "metis' was a derogatory term a century ago, now its used with pride. Mingo originally meant "the treacherous ones'. Now I believe there is a" Mingo identity revival.
Only if you insist on making it complex.

Here, I'll give you an easy test. Go to a bar near a rez and call them redskins. Or go to a bar in a black neighbourhood and call them n*iggers.

If you wake up in hospital, or don't ever wake up, they just might could have found it a teeny bit offensive.
 

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Only if you insist on making it complex.

Here, I'll give you an easy test. Go to a bar near a rez and call them redskins. Or go to a bar in a black neighbourhood and call them n*iggers.

If you wake up in hospital, or don't ever wake up, they just might could have found it a teeny bit offensive.


If I'm down by th eSabine and call the locals "Redbones'
 

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"Committee member Brandon Stevens says the tribe opposes any characters, mascots, or images portraying Native Americans in a disrespectful manner, and that includes the Redskins name and logo."

It's a big stretch (read "impossible") to assert that the name "Redskins" was chosen for the Washington football team as an insult to Indians.

The name "Redskins" is associated with the team, and only with the team, and it is nothing but positive when used that way. It's something that people don't even think about, except for a few who want to characterize it as an insult, which it clearly never was intended as.

As far as the logo is concerned, what's insulting about it? It's a little like the Chicago Blackhawks logo, which is one of the best sports logos anywhere.
 

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