So Much for Due process, Drones

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From: U.S. targets al-Qaeda with fatal drone strikes in Yemen amid fears of potential terrorist attacks | National Post

"Three U.S. drone strikes killed a total of 12 suspected al-Qaeda terrorists Thursday......."

My interest is what the Canadian government has to say about this.

In the long run, what does the US have to gain doing this? They claim to be stamping out terrorism in the world so that a democratic
system can be allowed to form in those countries. They've decided to police the world. But here's the paradox.

Their constitution defends the rights of US citizens to due process, and they tout it has the ideal. They attack people on their own turf and exclude their own due process principles to be applied to these people. All they need to be murdered is to be "suspected" to be terrorists. What country who is candidate for political change would see the wisdom of adopting a US system given this treatment?.

15 years ago I posted the question on an american forum. I asked what are the odds that a nation will conveniently find itself in
a war on average every 4 years? I received no answer. Just recently at a university talk, president Carter asked this same question
after dawning on him this is what's happening.

My fear is one day something like this will happen to us, and who would blame them for the retaliation?. Technology has a way of finding it's way in uncontrolled(? as if the US knew how to responsibly control anything) hands. If one day we are visiting the parliament buildings, and a missle lands and kills my grandkids because some nation thought my family was "suspected" to be their enemy, would nobody find this to be unjust?

I'm fed up with the antics of this arrogant belligerent nation south of us. And get us out of Afghanistan, they may also discover
they can afford drone technology one day. Add that to a shore line that can't be policed, 5 tons of Cesium 137 unaccounted for,
and a US system that can monitor only 2% of products entering their country, and our grandkids have cause to worry...

.......later.

I'm baaaackkkk. :evil1:
 

Omicron

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I love drone strikes like these.

So do I, when it's known with a fair degree of confidence that the target is an enemy.

It's bad for moral when the piloters (I call on-craft flyers 'pilots', and remote-control flyers 'piloters') start feeling like their commanders aren't sure who's an enemy, such that the piloters get left feeling that maybe they're targeting an innocent.
 

gerryh

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I love drone strikes, period. They're targeted, efficient, and they keep our guys safe.

I'm sure our lefty friends would prefer incinerating entire cities, like we did in the "good" war.


one wedding at a time is so much better.
 

gerryh

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Yes, it is. Do you know how many non-combatants were killed in the incendiary bombings of Dresden and Tokyo?


Yup, and how many were killed during Vietnam and shock and awe? As far as I'm concerned, killing one innocent is too many. Your drones have killed innocent non combatants.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Yup, and how many were killed during Vietnam and shock and awe? As far as I'm concerned, killing one innocent is too many. Your drones have killed innocent non combatants.
So you condemn the conduct of the Allies in World War II?

Good. At least you're consistent.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Wow....... you do pay attention, don't you. :roll:
Try to. You said that as far as you're concerned, killing one innocent is too many. And you admit that the Allies killed many, many innocents in WWII. So I presume you're condemning the Allies just as you condemn the U.S. Either that, or you're a hypocrite.

Your choice.
 

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Has "shock and awe" ever worked when it's just hitting the enemy with an overwhelming amount of something they are already familiar with?

The only time I can think of where "shock and awe" worked was when Japan was nuked, but it was because nukes were *so* unexpected and *so* over the top that all anyone could do was be stunned.

When Dresden and Tokyo were flattened and burned, were they shocked and awed, or did they just think their enemy was being an a-hole?
 

gerryh

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Try to. You said that as far as you're concerned, killing one innocent is too many. And you admit that the Allies killed many, many innocents in WWII. So I presume you're condemning the Allies just as you condemn the U.S. Either that, or you're a hypocrite.

Your choice.


I've been banned from this site for my views on war.
 

gerryh

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Has "shock and awe" ever worked when it's just hitting the enemy with an overwhelming amount of something they are already familiar with?

The only time I can think of where "shock and awe" worked was when Japan was nuked, but it was because nukes were *so* unexpected and *so* over the top that all anyone could do was be stunned.

When Dresden and Tokyo were flattened and burned, were they shocked and awed, or did they just think their enemy was being an a-hole?


Hey dummy, when was shock and awe used in the comparative recent history? Anyone with half a brain knew what I was talking about. Or do you fall outside that requirement?