Pope Francis- Another positive change
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But, perhaps more conservative by an order of magnitude. Rhetoric is a balm for the masses; action is too revolutionary.
Rhetoric is like issuing SPF 50 to slaves so they can toil longer in the sun.
Rhetoric is like issuing SPF 50 to slaves so they can toil longer in the sun.
except, the fact is, bearing a male has nothing to do with the female and everything to do with the male. It was Henry that couldn't produce a son, not his "wives".
Will have to agree with you there..........so far.......... but I have great hopes for William.
Maybe it's because Henry decided to KILL his wives to be with his mistresses?
She is expecting too much too fast in a Church that is 2000 years old and mired in 2000 year old dogma. His Holiness is the first step in the right direction, so far. I pray that he continues to take the small steps in that direction and his replacements keep to the same path.
Well goody for the Pope. I am not impressed. He makes liberal noises and everything stays the same. The church's official position is still, as a certain poster here will point out ad nauseam, that homosexuality is a moral disorder. Suppose the Archbishop of Canterbury remarked that it's not for him to judge Catholics but the Church of England's position was that the practice of Catholicism is a moral disorder. Maybe it is on some level, come to think of it, organized religion does tend to think of itself as uniquely right and the arbiter of morals, so people outside of it must have something wrong with them.
posted by gerryh
Some basic facts... Francis made no such outreach. The question from which all the soundbites were gleaned.. did not even deal with homosexuality in principle. They were specifically about the 'gay lobby' in the Vatican.. a closeted group of practicing homosexual clerics involved in blackmail and intimidation.. which came to light with the theft of Benedicts XVI's private correspondence by his Butler.. and is now being investigated by a panel of Cardinals. This will ultimately lead to dismissal of those involved. If you listen to the entire text of his remarks.. you'll see they were primarily addressed to 'lobbies'.. which press an immoral agenda on institutions (and nations).. and which he characterised very negatively.
His comments gave a very cursory overview of Catholic doctrine on homosexuality, which condemns its practice.. but not the inclinaton (as with all sins). Unfortunately he used the word 'gay', the first time a Pope has ever used it in public... likely unaware that the word is charged through and linked to the homosexual lobby in the English world.. and is an oxymoron in itself in respect to the misery and disorder it causes in peoples lives. Unfortuately these remarks were not linked to and contextualized within Catholic doctrine on homosexuality, which deems its practice gravely disordered, willful and a mortal sin. Nothing is going to change about that.. nothing has changed in the last 2000 years.
Given the massive misrepresentation in the media of his comments (which comprised 90 seconds of an interview of 90 minutes). my guess is it will be the last time that he uses the word 'gay' in public.
Some basic facts... Francis made no such outreach. The question from which all the soundbites were gleaned.. did not even deal with homosexuality in principle. They were specifically about the 'gay lobby' in the Vatican.. a closeted group of practicing homosexual clerics involved in blackmail and intimidation.. which came to light with the theft of Benedicts XVI's private correspondence by his Butler.. and is now being investigated by a panel of Cardinals. This will ultimately lead to dismissal of those involved. If you listen to the entire text of his remarks.. you'll see they were primarily addressed to 'lobbies'.. which press an immoral agenda on institutions (and nations).. and which he characterised very negatively.
His comments gave a very cursory overview of Catholic doctrine on homosexuality, which condemns its practice.. but not the inclinaton (as with all sins). Unfortunately he used the word 'gay', the first time a Pope has ever used it in public... likely unaware that the word is charged through and linked to the homosexual lobby in the English world.. and is an oxymoron in itself in respect to the misery and disorder it causes in peoples lives. Unfortuately these remarks were not linked to and contextualized within Catholic doctrine on homosexuality, which deems its practice gravely disordered, willful and a mortal sin. Nothing is going to change about that.. nothing has changed in the last 2000 years.
Given the massive misrepresentation in the media of his comments (which comprised 90 seconds of an interview of 90 minutes). my guess is it will be the last time that he uses the word 'gay' in public.
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Ah, so it wasn't his only drawback. I see.
Like Henry never had any male relatives that would have become king if he didn't have a son?
Genetics isn't a choice, or at least it wasn't back then.
And there I was, thinking you were in love with Henry. Go figure. But I agree, she seems to be a decent sort.
In spite of their god's commandment against infidelity. I don't think this god gives two craps about whether a person is a monarch or not.
Because he was brought into the conversation and the last post before I said that was about him maybe?
That sure excuses Henry.
Ok, Chuck was a di ckhead, too.
Ok, Eddy was a di ckhead, too. And that's not saying that being bisexual is a bad thing.
Yeah, people back then tended to be savages.
Then it's ok for the monarchy to be screwing everything in sight? Like I said, I don't think this god gives 2 shytes. Infidelity is infidelity regardless of who did it. Henry ain't excluded.
Only because he was mentioned and the rest weren't until this post of yours.
Well, like I implioed, infidelity is infidelity and apparently, some monarchs thought that marriage vows weren't worth di ckall. That doesn't give me a whole lot of choice except to think they were two-faced scum.
Yeah, arrogance was always a character flaw in most monarchs, even to the point of narcissism in some.
Only if you have no sense of humor.
Ah more gibbering rhetoric from the 12th century.
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I was thinking about Pope Leo IX in 1039 who reversed the following comment on married bishops. It's a 1000 years either way depending on your conviction about married prelates.
“Therefore, a bishop must be irreproachable, married only once …. He must manage his household well, keeping his children under control with perfect dignity; for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of the church of God?” (First Letter to Timothy 3:2).
Uhoh Trouble in the RCC: Matthew 22:24.
lol Which church of god?
Yep. He's a card alright. (Sorry, just had to let that one out. It was making me feel bloated).
‘It’s the pope’: If you send a letter to Pope Francis, he just might give you a call back | National Post
VATICAN CITY — A word of warning to those who write personal notes to Pope Francis: He might just call you back.
Francis has charmed the masses with his informal style, simplicity and sense of humour — and a handful of strangers have gotten the treatment up close, receiving papal phone calls out of the blue after writing him or suffering some personal tragedy.
After another random phone call from the pope this week, Italy’s leading Corriere della Sera daily offered etiquette tips for the lucky recipients, proposing conversation starters and no-go areas on its front page Friday.
The 76-year-old Francis has a fondness for making calls the old-fashioned way, using land lines and placing the calls himself, often surprising recipients by simply announcing “It’s the pope.”
After his election in March, Francis reportedly called his newspaper stand in Buenos Aires to cancel his daily delivery and his shoemaker to tell him not to bother with papal red leather loafers but to keep making his regular black orthotics. The receptionist at the Jesuit headquarters in Rome thought he got a crank call when Francis phoned two days after being chosen pope looking for the Jesuit superior.
Francis has since called an Italian man whose brother was killed and a Colombian woman who works in Rome to thank her for a book.
Beppe Severgnini, a noted humorist and Corriere columnist, offered other tips in his article:
VATICAN CITY — A word of warning to those who write personal notes to Pope Francis: He might just call you back.
Francis has charmed the masses with his informal style, simplicity and sense of humour — and a handful of strangers have gotten the treatment up close, receiving papal phone calls out of the blue after writing him or suffering some personal tragedy.
After another random phone call from the pope this week, Italy’s leading Corriere della Sera daily offered etiquette tips for the lucky recipients, proposing conversation starters and no-go areas on its front page Friday.
The 76-year-old Francis has a fondness for making calls the old-fashioned way, using land lines and placing the calls himself, often surprising recipients by simply announcing “It’s the pope.”
After his election in March, Francis reportedly called his newspaper stand in Buenos Aires to cancel his daily delivery and his shoemaker to tell him not to bother with papal red leather loafers but to keep making his regular black orthotics. The receptionist at the Jesuit headquarters in Rome thought he got a crank call when Francis phoned two days after being chosen pope looking for the Jesuit superior.
Francis has since called an Italian man whose brother was killed and a Colombian woman who works in Rome to thank her for a book.
Beppe Severgnini, a noted humorist and Corriere columnist, offered other tips in his article:
Pope Francis to atheists: ‘God forgives those who obey their conscience’ | National Post
Pope Francis has struck a surprisingly conciliatory tone towards atheists and agnostics, saying that God will “forgive” them as long as they behave morally and live according to their consciences.
The unprecedented gesture came as his incoming number two, the Vatican’s newly nominated secretary of state, said the rule that priests should be celibate was not “a dogma of the Church” and could be open for discussion.
Pope Francis has struck a surprisingly conciliatory tone towards atheists and agnostics, saying that God will “forgive” them as long as they behave morally and live according to their consciences.
The unprecedented gesture came as his incoming number two, the Vatican’s newly nominated secretary of state, said the rule that priests should be celibate was not “a dogma of the Church” and could be open for discussion.
There's three ways out of the priest crunch:
1. Remove the celibacy rule.
2. Term priesthood.
3. Ordain women.
I calculate the old men in Rome'll let priests f*ck virgins on the altar before they'll let women be ordained.
1. Remove the celibacy rule.
2. Term priesthood.
3. Ordain women.
I calculate the old men in Rome'll let priests f*ck virgins on the altar before they'll let women be ordained.
Mind you, priests in the Eastern Rites and the new Anglican-Absorbed Rite can be married.
And priests in the Old Inkan Rite could rip your f*cking heart out of your chest for sh*ts and giggles.
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
It's good enough for me