It is on the Canuck's site. The coaching staff are gone,.......cheaper than firing the players.....:roll:
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It is on the Canuck's site. The coaching staff are gone,.......cheaper than firing the players.....:roll:
Yeah, it's crazy, firing the coach who has taken them closest to a Stanley Cup than they've been in 17 years! Fricken retarded!
Don Cherry agrees with you, JLM. He said that Alain Vigneault was thrown under a bus by Gillis. He added that in his opinion it was Gillis who should go, along with the twins considering their lack of action in the play-offs both this year and last then finished by mentioning the goalie controversy.
Oooooooooooooh, Don Cherry agrees with me................................I'm going to have to rethink my opinion. -
I agree with the move, although I think mike gillis carries as much blame as they, and the players.
But someone has to stay, so it might as well be gillis, so that the team isn't totally without
familiar leadership.
I was waiting for the firing, knew it would happen, makes sense to me. Vineault and his assistants
have had lots of years, some very good, and the last few were fading.
I think the team needs a new start, new coaches, some changes in players as well. As gillis stated,
young players have to come onto the team, 'AND STAY THERE', which is something vineault was reluctant
to do, the young players were shovelled around too much, kassian is a good example, as he started
this season doing so well with the twins, then, it seemed for no good reason, vineault took him off
of that line, and moved him around all season, and he didn't do as well as he had with the twins. He
got 6 goals at the beginning of the season playing with them.
I don't think it was just getting rid of the coach because it is easier, I think it ran its time, and
the team 'needs' a new coach/coaches.
The team, in my opinion was stale.
Vineault can go to a new team, who needs a good coach, and do well, and a coach can come to the
canucks, and do well, new blood, new life, and move forward.
Sure he has done well in the past, not for the last two years, many mistakes, and
the bottom line is winning.
Don Cherry is a blow hard, makes big statements for big feedback, but knows nothing
about the day to day operation of the canucks, nothing at all.
But someone has to stay, so it might as well be gillis, so that the team isn't totally without
familiar leadership.
I was waiting for the firing, knew it would happen, makes sense to me. Vineault and his assistants
have had lots of years, some very good, and the last few were fading.
I think the team needs a new start, new coaches, some changes in players as well. As gillis stated,
young players have to come onto the team, 'AND STAY THERE', which is something vineault was reluctant
to do, the young players were shovelled around too much, kassian is a good example, as he started
this season doing so well with the twins, then, it seemed for no good reason, vineault took him off
of that line, and moved him around all season, and he didn't do as well as he had with the twins. He
got 6 goals at the beginning of the season playing with them.
I don't think it was just getting rid of the coach because it is easier, I think it ran its time, and
the team 'needs' a new coach/coaches.
The team, in my opinion was stale.
Vineault can go to a new team, who needs a good coach, and do well, and a coach can come to the
canucks, and do well, new blood, new life, and move forward.
Sure he has done well in the past, not for the last two years, many mistakes, and
the bottom line is winning.
Don Cherry is a blow hard, makes big statements for big feedback, but knows nothing
about the day to day operation of the canucks, nothing at all.
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The worst thing about Crawford was his whiny voice............................I got so I couldn't stand it. I thought Pat Quinn was one of the best. Wasn't he the coach during 1994?
yes he was, but that is long in the past, life goes on, he didn't get better, he got older and didn't
move on into a more progressive and smarter style of coaching, eg. vineault.
they tried pat quinn 3 years ago in edmonton, and he made a mess of it, treating those highly talented
very young players like he would have 40 years ago, not recognizing that there has been so much change,
players are so much better and smarter, and the coaches should be too.
To stand and talk to media and trash your own players is very tacky, and that is what he did toward
those young oilers, who were high draft picks, and needed a coach who understood them, 'in this day'
not in the old days.
They yanked him out of there after 'one' season.
Yep, Pat is getting a little "long in the tooth", actually the exact same age as me. (I can understand he might be a little dogmatic) -
this might be where vineault and gillis didn't see eye to eye, as gillis is a g.m. who likes offense.
but mike babcock likes good defense as well, in detroit, all of the teams must be responsible at
both ends of the ice. eg. datsyuk, has won the selke trophey many times, best defensive forward.
most teams don't have crosby or malkin or nash or stamkos, they have good offensive players, who also
need to know a 200 foot game, even bure would have had to play a bit more defense in this day and age
of coaching, its a different game now, faster skating, the old canuck team with bure on it, didn't
have another player who could skate with him, coaching was different then.
I don't think we will be seeing raymond on the team in the future.
I hope they look long and hard at some of the 'younger' 'smarter' coaches, they
are out there, they will find one.
someone mentioned dave tippett and lindy ruff, 'both' are more defensive, especially
tippett, if he comes to the canucks, he will bore the life out of the team and the
fans, but he 'might' win.
There has been a lot of 'local' chat as to why gillis wasn't fired. Well, obviously the aquilinis decided
they didn't want him fired, and it is their decision, they own the team,and it stops there. They are very aware of all
he has done, or not done, and they are very keen hockey people, so I respect their decision.
If gillis had been fired at this time, not sure what that would 'immediately' do to the look and play
of the team, as the new g.m. wouldn't be able to do any immediate changes of personnel, until he had
been there a while to decide just what he needed to do.
Also, this fall the cap falls 'back' about 9 million I think, or thereabouts, so
a new g.m.would have his hands tied, and could not spend 'any' money at all, and
also, this year only, the teams can do a 'buy out', which comes off of the cap,
so i'm sure the aquilinas and gillis have allready decided just what player/s,
they are going to buy out, so a new g.m. would have no say in that as well, and
also, they have to pay gillis for next season, he is still under contract, so
with not much being able to do because of lack of money, gillis might as well
stay, as he will be payed either way, and he and aquilinis can decide together,
just what players should stay or go, as they allready know them, and a new g.m.
would not.
The team 'can' immediately change with a new coaching staff, and we'll see in the fall just how that
looks, and i'm sure by this time next year, if the aquilinis take another look and don't like what
they see in gillis's performance, they will act then.
The move has been done, so I don't look back, I will look at this positively, and watch and wait and
look forward to a successful season this fall.
Its also interesting to follow all of the 'possibilities' as to 'who' will be the new head coach, haven't
got a clue who they might hire.
There is 'scott arneil' coaching the chicago wolves, who came back when his stint in columbus didn't work
out, not sure if they want to go that route.
I also have been hearing quite a bit about 'dallas eakins', who has been coaching the toronto marlies, and
he has been very successful, and has a good reputation.
they didn't want him fired, and it is their decision, they own the team,and it stops there. They are very aware of all
he has done, or not done, and they are very keen hockey people, so I respect their decision.
If gillis had been fired at this time, not sure what that would 'immediately' do to the look and play
of the team, as the new g.m. wouldn't be able to do any immediate changes of personnel, until he had
been there a while to decide just what he needed to do.
Also, this fall the cap falls 'back' about 9 million I think, or thereabouts, so
a new g.m.would have his hands tied, and could not spend 'any' money at all, and
also, this year only, the teams can do a 'buy out', which comes off of the cap,
so i'm sure the aquilinas and gillis have allready decided just what player/s,
they are going to buy out, so a new g.m. would have no say in that as well, and
also, they have to pay gillis for next season, he is still under contract, so
with not much being able to do because of lack of money, gillis might as well
stay, as he will be payed either way, and he and aquilinis can decide together,
just what players should stay or go, as they allready know them, and a new g.m.
would not.
The team 'can' immediately change with a new coaching staff, and we'll see in the fall just how that
looks, and i'm sure by this time next year, if the aquilinis take another look and don't like what
they see in gillis's performance, they will act then.
The move has been done, so I don't look back, I will look at this positively, and watch and wait and
look forward to a successful season this fall.
Its also interesting to follow all of the 'possibilities' as to 'who' will be the new head coach, haven't
got a clue who they might hire.
There is 'scott arneil' coaching the chicago wolves, who came back when his stint in columbus didn't work
out, not sure if they want to go that route.
I also have been hearing quite a bit about 'dallas eakins', who has been coaching the toronto marlies, and
he has been very successful, and has a good reputation.
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there is lindy ruff, who coached buffalo for many many years, was just fired this last season.
there is john stevens, who coached the flyers, then the l.a. kings, and is still as assistant in
l.a.
there is Brent Sutter, who coached calgary, along with many others, and none of them could get
anything to happen there, seems it was definitely a player problem.
i'll add a few more when I come accross them.
there is john stevens, who coached the flyers, then the l.a. kings, and is still as assistant in
l.a.
there is Brent Sutter, who coached calgary, along with many others, and none of them could get
anything to happen there, seems it was definitely a player problem.
i'll add a few more when I come accross them.
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apparantly the canucks will announce the hiring of john torterella soon, SO, I will step back now
and respect the length of time gillis spent interviewing coaches, I will delete all of the media
stuff, which is all over team 1040 right now.
Ferraro has stated twice now, while I was listening to 1040 that torterella is an 'excellent' coach.
I respect his opinion.
I will approach this season with a clean slate concerning my opinion of torterella, and only concentrate
on the 'on ice' situations.
I'm sure gillis had chats with ownership/some players, the twins etc.,), and they would have encouraged
those players, and ownership to contribute their opinions concerning john torterella.
It is my opinion that the twins will welcome this coach, who will shake up this bunch, and get the
cobwebs out, and will be more 'hands on', in the dressing room, and overall, which will be much
different than vineault, who delegated responsibilities for coaching, and gave the dressing room to
the 'veterans' to run as they saw fit.
if he is hired, then good luck to him, I wish him and the team well, and whatever happens in the media,
I will enjoy watching them squirm.
remember the 'soup nazi' !!!!!!!
and respect the length of time gillis spent interviewing coaches, I will delete all of the media
stuff, which is all over team 1040 right now.
Ferraro has stated twice now, while I was listening to 1040 that torterella is an 'excellent' coach.
I respect his opinion.
I will approach this season with a clean slate concerning my opinion of torterella, and only concentrate
on the 'on ice' situations.
I'm sure gillis had chats with ownership/some players, the twins etc.,), and they would have encouraged
those players, and ownership to contribute their opinions concerning john torterella.
It is my opinion that the twins will welcome this coach, who will shake up this bunch, and get the
cobwebs out, and will be more 'hands on', in the dressing room, and overall, which will be much
different than vineault, who delegated responsibilities for coaching, and gave the dressing room to
the 'veterans' to run as they saw fit.
if he is hired, then good luck to him, I wish him and the team well, and whatever happens in the media,
I will enjoy watching them squirm.
remember the 'soup nazi' !!!!!!!
Whoa! Whoda thunk, talloola................if he is indeed the new coach of the Canucks we can expect some really exciting media interviews.......if nothing else. Good of you to give him a chance and see how he does. Truly hope for Canuck fan's that this is the right move for the team...........wait and see attitude the best right now.
I think that definitely is part of the equation with this hiring. Obviously gillis was determined
to hire someone who wouldn't just continue on from where vineault left off, he wanted someone
with a different approach, and this is it.
the media can have a field day with this, but who cares, how the canucks do on the ice has nothing
to do with media, media have their own agenda, and it isn't at all directed toward helping the
team do well, it is for 'themselves', to gather condradictory information, to start conversations
on their radio or newspapers to create controversy, and much of the public buy into that, but I
see it as nothing positive for the team.
I am interested now in hearing the announcement, and also to hear who 'he' chooses as his assistants.
Contrary to what many think, I think danny and henrik will love this new approach, as the players
won't always feel comfortable with themselves, and will always strive to do better.
Seems the team had settled into a comfortable zone, after all these years, and that has to end.
Now we have to see how the luongo situation changes, maybe they will wheel and deal at the draft.
Gillis was on team 1040 this afternoon, did 'not' make any announcement, BUT team 1040 say their
sources state that torterella was called back into vancouver and offered the coaching job.
guess they are dotting the I s and crossing the T s.
maybe luongo will stay. A fellow phoned into team 1040 today and said he thinks
aquilini is planning to build an italian team, and the next player to come aboard
will be cammaleri. lol
sources state that torterella was called back into vancouver and offered the coaching job.
guess they are dotting the I s and crossing the T s.
maybe luongo will stay. A fellow phoned into team 1040 today and said he thinks
aquilini is planning to build an italian team, and the next player to come aboard
will be cammaleri. lol
Tuned into 1040 for a bit this afternoon between Alta flood updates and heard the same thing - then I saw coverage on SportsCentre of Torts arriving at the airport. Haven't heard anything further. The guys on the Team were saying they were absolutely inundated with twitter and email comments on the possible hiring - hope Torts knows what he's in for there. Canuck fans are not known for their reticence. :lol: