Has anyone notice no Canadian member of CC has come to the defense of Tecumsehsbones? I take that as general agreement regarding the inferior state of American public schools. If a Canadian member of the forum disagrees with me on this matter this is his or her opportunity to do so.
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lol... I am bringing up race and colour but not for the reasons you think..and it's okay to laugh at me too... you have a good spirit... I do believe that race is super important in your land...
Well I am not... regardless.
And it is not doing very well... the amount of money that is.
I provided the stats above in a post for my state. Good reading...not to mention proof of what I say.
I do hope you don't mean the woman that was in charge of the Washington DC school system. She was really famous, wrote a book, boosted the grades and grad rates in the DC area, all kinds of interviews on how awesome she did. Now it is coming out how she just set policies to pass the kids and graduate them... as many as possible and with any means.
with all due respect he needs no defense...most of us happily defend our own stance... I am not so certain that he disagrees with you BT but he will turn up sooner or later and let you know what he thinks.
I think our system here has deteriorated because we have moved away from the basics. At the particular school were I am currently our math stats are way above average. The reason for that is the program they follow. It is logical and does not jump all over the place. The kids comprehend it because it follows course.
Latest studies now show how well a child does with numeracy will predict how well they do in most school subjects and life.. It's not about being able to do trigonometry but everything we do involves basic arithmetic. If one can't do it, one is pretty much pooched with everything.
I think the millions enrolled in inner city schools have a lot to do with the curve. They are a disaster.
I bet the suburban and private schools in the US would be on par with Canadian Schools.
Canada's education systems are pretty good (it's a provincial thing mainly), but they are far from great, IMO. Too many kids enter college and uni who are illiterate and innumerate. That has nothing to to with skin color, gender, etc. I think it's due to priorities. Too much idealism focusing on how a student feels about not getting through a grade and nonsense like that. Kids are resilient. They get over a surprising amount of stuff. All it takes for them to gain some confidence is to struggle at something till they know it.
Teachers need to get it through their heads that a kid learns if she/he is interested enough. Make a subject interesting and the rate of learning increases.
Another thing is that we seem to use the slowest learning kids as the baseline for educating kids and that holds back the bright kids. I think they should simply let kids learn at whatever rate they can and focus on the slower ones. Like, if a kid can finish a grade in 7 or 8 months instead of 10, let them.
And formal education for the very young isn't a good idea either, IMO. Making 6 n 7 year-olds sit in a desk like a highschool students gaping at scribbles on a blackboard or poring through texts for 50 minutes at a time ain't bright. They haven't learned to concentrate like that and they won't learn to do that easily. They have so many new things to check out that they can't focus for long on one thing for extended periods of time.
Mind you, that's how it was when our kids were in school. Maybe things have changed but I doubt it. And that's why we pulled our kids from the classes that they weren't doing well in and taught them at home. Had a bit of a battle with the school board over it, but they were susceptible to reason. The mundane aspects (like curriculum, text books, etc.) were easy to deal with.
Anyway, here's a bit of info about the overall education status of Canada's education systems (from the Conference Board of Canada), and like I said, it is good, but it could be a lot better.
And off to the side there's a comparison of a few countries standings. Not crazy about comparing countries' standings against each other because I don't think education should be some kind of race or competition at least till university levels, but anyway .....
Canadian education and skills—details and analysis
Teachers need to get it through their heads that a kid learns if she/he is interested enough. Make a subject interesting and the rate of learning increases.
Another thing is that we seem to use the slowest learning kids as the baseline for educating kids and that holds back the bright kids. I think they should simply let kids learn at whatever rate they can and focus on the slower ones. Like, if a kid can finish a grade in 7 or 8 months instead of 10, let them.
And formal education for the very young isn't a good idea either, IMO. Making 6 n 7 year-olds sit in a desk like a highschool students gaping at scribbles on a blackboard or poring through texts for 50 minutes at a time ain't bright. They haven't learned to concentrate like that and they won't learn to do that easily. They have so many new things to check out that they can't focus for long on one thing for extended periods of time.
Mind you, that's how it was when our kids were in school. Maybe things have changed but I doubt it. And that's why we pulled our kids from the classes that they weren't doing well in and taught them at home. Had a bit of a battle with the school board over it, but they were susceptible to reason. The mundane aspects (like curriculum, text books, etc.) were easy to deal with.
Anyway, here's a bit of info about the overall education status of Canada's education systems (from the Conference Board of Canada), and like I said, it is good, but it could be a lot better.
And off to the side there's a comparison of a few countries standings. Not crazy about comparing countries' standings against each other because I don't think education should be some kind of race or competition at least till university levels, but anyway .....
Canadian education and skills—details and analysis
Nope.Indeed, let's get to it. Being retired I have all the time in the world. You must be retired to since you also have so much time on your hands. Am I right?
Nope.
Whee.
Nope.
I'm not "admitting" anything. You never claimed until now that Canadian students perform better than American students, so that's not "what you were saying." Thanks.
Inferiority to what? Inferiority is a relative thing. I note that you don't seem to be repeating or supporting your claim that the public schools are run by the teachers' unions. I wonder why not.
The source is the U.S. Department of Education, quoted by the government of California.
So now you're accepting one of those "leftist" teachers' unions as an impartial source?
Do I think the American public school system is as good as the Canadian? The stats would indicate it is not. Maybe we should adopt Canadian-style "socialism."
I need no defense. You stated. .
"Many Americans are too ignorant to find food for themselves. That's the result of poor education and lack of critical skills. That in itself is imo the failure of the American public school system. The American public school system is controlled by the teachers unions. The teachers unions are controlled by hard core leftists. Draw your own conclusions."
I await your demonstration of the bolded portion.
By the way, I did not say at any point that the American public school system is superior to Canada's. Quite the contrary, I was the one who quoted and linked the stats that show it is not.
When you make stuff up and attribute it to me, then argue against it, you're really just talking to yourself.
One of the most curious thing about the leftist political coalition in America is the unthinking relationship of minorities with the Teachers Unions who fail their children year after year and decade after decade. I think this indicates a lack of self-awareness about the best interests of their children. Minorities in the USA should call out the Teachers Unions and bring pressure to bear.
Actually that's not true. My purpose is to attack the American Teachers Unions by demonstrating failure of American students in comparison to the students of peer foreign powers.
I told you before that I will not fight set piece battles with you. I just want to engage you. And yes you are a leftist who supports the American teachers unions blindly. Since I see American leftists like you as the greatest threat you can't expect me to be fair with you. Like the Bard said all is fair in love in war.
I have a few more questions you can't answer. Why are students in Shanghai and most of the rest of the Sinosphere doing so much better on the OECD's PISA tests than American students? Isn't that a problem for the USA? Who is responsible for this failure...the Tea Party or the Teachers Unions?
What other factors are you referring to?
Could you provide the links you used on this subject?
How do you define a "poor education?"