Our very own little ray of forum sunshine put me in mind of it.
You know, if parents would just do this with their damned teenagers, we could probably avoid the entire prison scenario completely!
Should we bring back prison labour?
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Our very own little ray of forum sunshine put me in mind of it.
You know, if parents would just do this with their damned teenagers, we could probably avoid the entire prison scenario completely!
First of all I have never robbed anyone, and the only thing I have stolen is a few hearts...lol!
Sorry I do not believe they should be getting a trade off of my taxes, and anyone of us that work, when most cannot even send their own kids to school for a trade. I feel the same way about welfare people, earn the trade yourself, like some of us without the silver spoon in mouth do. I do not believe in paying for kids lunches, extra corricular activities because parents will not work, not when I cannot afford these things myself, or my kids for their kids. Why can't we afford this, because we live on a budget. We can only afford to teach our children to do for yourself, then the reward is much greater. Also any corricular activities are done at home. Teachers nowadays don't want to volunteer time, they want to be paid for it, so these activities are ridiculously expensive.
No we are not forced to work, but we can force children to go to school under ridiculous conditions.
Also I do believe to an extent that we are forced to work, if we want to eat and survive, we certainly have no other choice.
Similarly, I don't see why I should pay taxes for schools at all. I don't have kids. To me, you are as much of a freeloader as these people are to you. You had 'em, you educate 'em.
YES!!! Bring back labor prisons (Chain Ganges).. Prison is suppose to be punishment.. not club med.
In the United States such as Arkansas, Texas and Arizona you see prisons picking up garbage along the main state's Internet state, cutting the grass at the local Church, sweeping streets, wash police cars...
Teaches them some work ethics (rehabilitation) before being put back into society.
I agree. In other countries they call our prisons Club Med! Seems they make this work in US, why can't we here? Liberal input!!!
You are assuming which makes an a$$ out of you, not me. I did educate my kids, both have excellent jobs, and a part of society, not bleeding off of it. I am not some welfare bum asking others to feed, educate or take care of me and my kids, never have never will. We need to take welfare away, there is no such a thing as no jobs in Canada. Some just need to suck 'er up, roll up their sleeves and take whatever job they can find, I have.
It is silly to say you do not have kids so why should you pay for education. Are you saying you would prefer a country that lacks educating their people? Even in some third world countries they educate the children.
As for calling me a freeloader,,maybe you should be reported for being incendiary.
I work, and have been since I was 10.
Are you also saying you do not mind paying taxes for cons because you are one, or know one? Really, I don't want to pay for this type of drain on society, as I am not a con, nor know of any!
Not only do I pay taxes for my kids and grandchildren to go to school, roads to be fixed, elections, etc. I also pay for a little girl in a third world country to go to school.
Here's some liberal input: I think the perspective you are missing here is that many of those welfare bums as you like to call them, which you think should all be working, have huge mental health issues. It's not all physical. If you had these issues and were unable to work or were the employer you would see things quite differently.
As for paying for what you term "cons", it's the price we pay to live in a free/democratic society. Once they lose their human rights you are next. If you doubt that look to the countries whose prisons do not have human rights. Their regular citizens aren't doing so hot either.
Actually Sal in some countries it does work, crime is very minimal in these countries, because they are not coddled in prisons. They are punished, with no perks, no free education/trade, no computers, no steak, no breaks. I like it.
I have no issue with people who cannot work because of a handicap, but they are getting disability, not welfare, big difference. Welfare is suppose to be a hand up, not a hand out, and also is not a career move, of which most now are second generation, raised by people who think the whole damn world owes them. Democratic, is not suppose to mean a free ride.
I am more a type that if the world knocks you down, you get back up, brush yourself off, or pull up your big kid pants, move on, and get over it. Fix it, don't live it.
Private schools? All of them?
I presume people would be educated the same way you propose that people be fed. . . work and buy their educations, and that of their children.
Go for it.
Bully for you.
No, I'm not saying anything of the sort. I've said what I have to say, quite clearly. If you didn't understand it, that's on you. What part of "unfair, but necessary" is giving you trouble?
Big deal. I pay for lots of kids in a third world country to go to school. By my free choice.
which countries are you referring to because the only countries that I am aware of with such systems I would view as barbaric.
I do not believe we coddle our prisoners. My problem with our justice system in Canada is length of sentence. If they are returning to society they need to be rehabilitated otherwise the rate of recidivism is way too high and thus way too costly.
Do you know any prison guards because if not you need to get to know a few and speak to them about our prison system and the no perks alternative and how well that doesn't work.
I understand your philosophy which comes from the school of hard knocks and while you have survived it, others do not. While I respect it I do not endorse it as the price is far too high .
We had prison farms in Burritts Rapids Ont., and Joyceville Ont.
They raised their own food, and if the prisoners did not learn a trade, they at least knew what it was to put in a days work, which may or may not contribute to self esteem and breed responsibility.
Joyceville had a good dairy herd, an excellent one I'm told.
There was not concerted movement (i.e. public protests) to close them, and they went a long way in paying for themselves.
BUT:
The GOVERNMENT shut them down. Go figure.
So if the OP means by bringing back prison labour, labour of this type, it would probably be a positive thing.
I'm not impressed by chain gangs nor the effect they have on inmates.
Just sayin.
They raised their own food, and if the prisoners did not learn a trade, they at least knew what it was to put in a days work, which may or may not contribute to self esteem and breed responsibility.
Joyceville had a good dairy herd, an excellent one I'm told.
There was not concerted movement (i.e. public protests) to close them, and they went a long way in paying for themselves.
BUT:
The GOVERNMENT shut them down. Go figure.
So if the OP means by bringing back prison labour, labour of this type, it would probably be a positive thing.
I'm not impressed by chain gangs nor the effect they have on inmates.
Just sayin.
By pay for lots of kids in a third world country, do you meant through a chartered charity? If so, do you know those kids only get a third to maybe if lucky a half of that, the rest goes to a fat cat sitting behind a desk making over a million a year. But like you say your choice.
I pay for one child, personally, and she gets all of my money.
Bully for me...you bet, and thanks.
You seemed to be a bit upset over my opinion. Yet I am not over yours, and your right to it. Not very democratic, considering you seem to think those that have violated others with criminal acts have all kinds of rights. Rights go hand in hand with freedoms, they lost that when they decided to be criminals.
As for pay for secondary education,,IE, college or university. That is usually the way it works. Also the same applies for feeding oneself and family, you pay for it, not steal.
I think you should calm down your posts indicate anger, and when you lose your temper you lose the battle and the war.
I can remember back when I was just a teen working in my parents (started at age 10) restaurant, and then they had prisoners from minimum security prisons out brush burning, picking up garbage, etc, and they would always come in to eat, and none of them seemed to be put out for having to do this. Hard work builds character, and never hurt anyone.
I respect your right to your opinion, and thank you for giving it civilly. Some get so bent when you disagree with them, or opinion is not the same.
Yes I do know a few prison gaurds, and I know them quite well, and they agree with me, we coddle our prisoners too much, at least in the maximum security.
The places I speak of are caribbean countries like Cuba, Jamaica and Dominican Republic. Although they do allow prisoners to get food from outside resources. This I know from visiting these countries. Been to Mexico many times, but cannot say that the way prison life is there (much the same as countries I listed), deters from crime. In Cuba and Dominican, most crimes are petty because of consequences.
I love Cuba. Fidel is/was a good presidente.
LOL!
Well my kids knew how to read and write before they started school. Teachers taught them abc from then on. I taught them life, I did not shelter my kids, nor did I spank, or be unreasonable with them. I used logic and common sense.
They worked hard and earned them. oh and yes they did have burgers and fries..lol!hey they'd better not be ordering burgers and fries... lol... just sayin
today so many think they have a right to a free ride in this world, and not just prisoners.
You couldn't be further out if you tried. But have no fear, all my money goes where I intend it to go, and I personally supervise that.
I actually meant that part, not at all sarcastically.
Not even slightly. I'm just swapping opinions with you.
Interesting. Can you quote me saying anything of the sort?
Didn't think so.
As I said, I'm perfectly calm. Your internet psychoanalysis is amusing.
Which is why I said, way back at the start of this, that prisoners should get food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and exercise, period. Anything they want beyond that, they can work for. When you finish patting yourself on the back and trumpeting to us what a stand-up kinda guy you are, take a moment to notice that we're in agreement here.
ha. Unlikely. I wouldnt blame Ted Bundy's parents for what he did. He had every advantage and a good upbringing and decided that rape and murder was more desirable than using his skills to do something useful or good. There will always be some level of crime no matter what is done - unless they figure out how to change human nature.
Yes, I know. I was joking. Lol.
But that's part of why I think it's important to differentiate between the individual who commits a crime because it's situational and those who do harm to others for the sake of doing harm to others. One can be re-integrated into society, I don't believe the other one can be, ever.
So, in other words, you used the subsidized School system the same as everyone else.
That I disagree with. I don't have kids either, yet I still feel a duty as a citizen to care for the next generaiton. Funding public schools is a moral responsibility on all, whether through taxes or other means.
That's why i did mention exceptions in the OP.