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Pittsburgh will cave in if they meet teams who come at them with speed, their defense
can't deal with it.

Who is left with the speed of the Isles though? No one. And that speed confounded the Pens at times, but it wasn't enough. When the Pens brought in Brendan Morrow, Jarome Iginla and Doug Murray, they did get older and a little slower but I don't think anyone else really matches up with them like the Isles did. Part of it is divisional rivalry too, where you face something often enough that you learn to beat it: history is full of those (look for example at Edmonton and Calgary in the 80s).

Seriously, the only team deep enough to roll 4 lines with the Pens is Chicago... and Detroit has them on the ropes, so they might be worn out if they can get there.
 

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Pittsburgh will cave in if they meet teams who come at them with speed, their defense can't deal with it.

I rarely disagree with you, talloola but in the case of the Penguins, I feel I must. One thing I have seen with the Pens in the play-offs is that they have improved throughout them. Slowly for sure and still prone to mistakes........but the depth of the team and the ability of so many players to score or create a chance for a team-mate to score is undeniable.

Sid and Gene are great players but there are so many others on the team who are also approaching that status. Look at James Neal, Kris Letang, Jarome Iginla, etc etc. I still have my complaints about them but my belief in their ability to win the Cup strengthens with every game they play. Just my opinion.......but really I would not be too quick to count them out.
 

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I rarely disagree with you, talloola but in the case of the Penguins, I feel I must. One thing I have seen with the Pens in the play-offs is that they have improved throughout them. Slowly for sure and still prone to mistakes........but the depth of the team and the ability of so many players to score or create a chance for a team-mate to score is undeniable.

Sid and Gene are great players but there are so many others on the team who are also approaching that status. Look at James Neal, Kris Letang, Jarome Iginla, etc etc. I still have my complaints about them but my belief in their ability to win the Cup strengthens with every game they play. Just my opinion.......but really I would not be too quick to count them out.

I would never count pittsburgh out, that wouldn't be wise, with crosby on the team, as he can be the
difference against any team .

there really isn't a team left in the playoffs with the youth and speed of the islanders, and because
the west and east haven't played each other all season, there isn't any measuring stick to try to
decide who is stronger against whom.

depends who gets through in the west, and who gets thru in the east. goalkeeping is the key.
jonathan quick and neimi and howard in my opinion are the three best goalies left, and lunquist,
but he will be done soon.

(other than crosby,) l.a. detroit, los angelos, chicago and san jose all have stars that can match anyone on pittsburgh, depends on injuries, and depends on how long each series lasts, and how fatigued teams are.
and none of those teams in the west will allow the pittsburgh offense to dangle through the middle, like
ottawa did,
and have their own way, teams will have to play team play, not super star play.
pittsburgh looked great against ottawa, but ottawa had lots of weaknesses, and gave pittsburgh too much
room to move, so of course those high end players will shine.

if detroit get through, don't know if their defense can persevere right through to the end, as some of them
are new, and have risen to the occasion, but can they do it all the way through, not sure, but with babcock
at the helm, I wouldn't count them out.

pittsburgh doesn't have a very deep defense, that is obvious when they are challenged, eg. islanders,
but not ottawa, as ottawa didn't and wouldn't scare any team still playing, including rangers, and that
is only because of lunquist.

the west are playing a very physical type of game, lots of infractions are out the window, and its who
can 'beat down' who first, one reason why toews is in such a snit, as he has to deal with very heavy
play, and he doesn't like it, and officials are letting them get away with lots of stuff they would not
have, during the season, and detroit is playing a heavier game than they normally do.

If pittsburgh gets through and plays for the cup against some of that rough heavy play, and they can
join in and do the same, they will be fine, but might not have to if chicago get through, cause they
will play more like pittsburgh, and games will have more flow, a bit more room, more goals, and more
entertaining.

again, depends who plays who.

Who is left with the speed of the Isles though? No one. And that speed confounded the Pens at times, but it wasn't enough. When the Pens brought in Brendan Morrow, Jarome Iginla and Doug Murray, they did get older and a little slower but I don't think anyone else really matches up with them like the Isles did. Part of it is divisional rivalry too, where you face something often enough that you learn to beat it: history is full of those (look for example at Edmonton and Calgary in the 80s).

Seriously, the only team deep enough to roll 4 lines with the Pens is Chicago... and Detroit has them on the ropes, so they might be worn out if they can get there.

yeah, they do have them on the ropes, and I'm looking forward to the game at 'the mad house on madison' later
today, it should be a doozy, can't really see the black hawks losing this one, those fans just might
make the difference.
 

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We could be seeing a Rangers' victory tonight....................won't hurt my feelings!


Boston just tied the score on a PP, JLM. :smile:

I would never count pittsburgh out, that wouldn't be wise, with crosby on the team, as he can be the
difference against any team .

there really isn't a team left in the playoffs with the youth and speed of the islanders, and because
the west and east haven't played each other all season, there isn't any measuring stick to try to
decide who is stronger against whom.

depends who gets through in the west, and who gets thru in the east. goalkeeping is the key.
jonathan quick and neimi and howard in my opinion are the three best goalies left, and lunquist,
but he will be done soon.

(other than crosby,) l.a. detroit, los angelos, chicago and san jose all have stars that can match anyone on pittsburgh, depends on injuries, and depends on how long each series lasts, and how fatigued teams are.
and none of those teams in the west will allow the pittsburgh offense to dangle through the middle, like
ottawa did,
and have their own way, teams will have to play team play, not super star play.
pittsburgh looked great against ottawa, but ottawa had lots of weaknesses, and gave pittsburgh too much
room to move, so of course those high end players will shine.

if detroit get through, don't know if their defense can persevere right through to the end, as some of them
are new, and have risen to the occasion, but can they do it all the way through, not sure, but with babcock
at the helm, I wouldn't count them out.

pittsburgh doesn't have a very deep defense, that is obvious when they are challenged, eg. islanders,
but not ottawa, as ottawa didn't and wouldn't scare any team still playing, including rangers, and that
is only because of lunquist.

the west are playing a very physical type of game, lots of infractions are out the window, and its who
can 'beat down' who first, one reason why toews is in such a snit, as he has to deal with very heavy
play, and he doesn't like it, and officials are letting them get away with lots of stuff they would not
have, during the season, and detroit is playing a heavier game than they normally do.

If pittsburgh gets through and plays for the cup against some of that rough heavy play, and they can
join in and do the same, they will be fine, but might not have to if chicago get through, cause they
will play more like pittsburgh, and games will have more flow, a bit more room, more goals, and more
entertaining.

again, depends who plays who.

Great analysis, talloola........thank you for it.

Oh, oh........Boston just got another one. Krug got the first on the PP. Campbell got this one 5 on 5. 2 - 1 Boston with less than 4 minutes left in the 2nd. Gooooooooo Boston!

Meant to mention what a classy guy Paul McLean is. In his first interview after the Sens went down to defeat - he comes out with....'I hope they don't bill us for the clinic'........rock on Paul. A sense of humor is really important at a time like that and I applaud him - the reporters loved it, apparently.

NY is one period away from elimination.
 

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Boston just tied the score on a PP, JLM. :smile:



Great analysis, talloola........thank you for it.

Oh, oh........Boston just got another one. Krug got the first on the PP. Campbell got this one 5 on 5. 2 - 1 Boston with less than 4 minutes left in the 2nd. Gooooooooo Boston!

Meant to mention what a classy guy Paul McLean is. In his first interview after the Sens went down to defeat - he comes out with....'I hope they don't bill us for the clinic'........rock on Paul. A sense of humor is really important at a time like that and I applaud him - the reporters loved it, apparently.

NY is one period away from elimination.


Yeah, they've been there before in '94, 7th game, 4th round they were just one period away from elimination...................didn't happen-:)

 

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Yeah, they've been there before in '94, 7th game, 4th round they were just one period away from elimination...................didn't happen-:)



EASTERN CONFERENCE FINAL






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Chicago gets on the board first.....Bicknell beat Howard with a nice chip shot. 1 - 0 Chicago end of 1rst

Looks like there's life left in the Hawks after all. Late in the 3rd they are ahead by 3 goals and Captain Serious has the monkey off his back with a nice scoop over the shoulder of Jimmy Howard! Can't be unhappy for Jonathan - he deserved that one. Off to la-la land soon so maybe the Red Wings will get 1 more.......2's probably stretching it the way the Hawks have been playing. Right now, it looks like this series is going to continue.
 
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not such a good game tonight, first period both teams very defensive, check check check, second period was
good, more feeling and energy, third period was just check check check by chicago, to hold that lead,
and detroit were just going through the motion, writing was on the wall.

next game most important game for both teams, of course detroit could end it, but if chicago win, then
they will win game 7, at least in my opinion, as chicago has come out of their panicky stage, and
tonight got their mojo back.
 

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The Pittsburgh Penguins eliminated the Ottawa Senators from the NHL playoffs on Friday night with an offensive performance that should be included in future youth hockey instructional videos.

Following their 7-3 win on Wednesday in Ottawa, the Penguins returned home for Game 5 and the team’s offense was once again firing on all cylinders with a convincing 6-2 victory.

As Chris Johnston of Sportsnet points out, these high-scoring games have become a common theme throughout the team’s playoff run. (9 of 11 games this playoffs where the Pens have at least four goals.)

This victory has given Pittsburgh a spot in the Eastern Conference Final for the first time since its Stanley Cup-winning season in 2008 -09. It’s also the first time this team has clinched a playoff series at home since 2008.

The question that remains ahead of the conference finals is if this Penguins team is an unstoppable machine that will maintain its torrid offensive pace all the way to the Stanley Cup Final.

Going back to the third period of Game 4 in Ottawa, the Penguins outscored the Senators 10-3 in the final four frames of the series and consistently controlled the flow of play in all three zones.

Pittsburgh’s offense started to hit its stride in the second round, and by the end of Game 5, it became a dominating force. Here are some notable offensive stats from the team’s playoff run thus far:

Goals Scored – 47 Rank in NHL – 1rst
Goals/Game – 4.27 Rank in NHL - 1rst
5 on 5 Goals 27 Rank in NHL – 1rst
1rst Period Goals – 16 Rank in NHL –1rst
2nd Period Goals – 19 Rank in NHL – 1rst

Aside from its obvious amount of incredible skill, the real strength of this Penguins offense is its depth, which was bolstered further by the trade-deadline acquisitions of Jarome Iginla, Brenden Morrow and Jussi Jokinen.

These players have made a smooth transition into the lineup and credit head coach Dan Bylsma for preventing team-chemistry issues by finding the best line combinations to put the newly acquired forwards in a position to best utilize their skills.

When you look at the team's top-six forward group, there are almost no areas of weakness for opposing head coaches to game plan around.

The top line of Sidney Crosby, Pascal Dupuis and Chris Kunitz was arguably the most effective line in hockey during the regular season. Crosby is the world's best player with a skill set that includes everything you want in a No. 1 center. Dupuis and Kunitz are both hard-working wingers who take advantage of their scoring opportunities and play responsible defense.

The second line boasts a trio of Evgeni Malkin, Iginla and James Neal, which is arguably the most talented line in all of hockey. Malkin is the reigning Hart Trophy winner, Iginla is a proven playoff performer and Neal has raised his game at the perfect time.

In his first eight games of the playoffs, Neal tallied just point. In the final two contests of the second round, he scored five goals with two assists to break out of his slump, including a hat trick in Game 5.

It doesn't matter if one, two or even three of the Penguins' top forwards are having a tough time finding the back of the net because the team has enough depth to win games without its stars playing at a high level.

Matt Cooke, Brandon Sutter, Jokinen and Morrow are among Pittsburgh's bottom-six forwards who excel at both ends of the ice and provide important secondary scoring when the stars struggle.

Shutting down the Penguins forwards is a tough challenge in itself, but when the team gets scoring from the blue line, it becomes almost impossible to prevent this offense from scoring three or four goals.

The Penguins rank second in the NHL in goals scored (eight) by defensemen during the playoffs. Norris Trophy finalist Kris Letang has steadily improved as the postseason has progressed ad tallied seven points in the final two games of the Senators series.

But the Penguins’ biggest threat offensively is their amazing power play, which is so tough to defend because of its quick puck movement, good spacing and the creativity of Malkin and Crosby.

Pittsburgh leads all playoff teams with 13 power-play goals and a league-best success rate of 28.3 percent.

Another positive for the Penguins heading into the Eastern Conference Final is the benefit of home-ice advantage. They are 5 – 1 at the Consol Energy Center in the playoffs and lead all teams with 26 goals scored at home.

Pittsburgh will also have a few days of rest before opening up the next series at home, which will help tremendously after two physical matchups.

The Penguins are a well-oiled machine right now with more skill and depth than any team remaining in the 2013 playoffs. If their offense maintains its current level of execution, Pittsburgh will be able to win games even if starting goaltender Tomas Vokoun (who ranks second only to Jonathan Quick in saves) has a subpar performance in the next round.

We rarely see teams overcome inconsistent defense and goaltending in the playoffs, but this Penguins team has the depth and talent to win a championship playing a lot of high-scoring games.

They do have flaws that can be exploited, as with every other team in the playoffs. But like most veteran teams, when a few players struggle, others step up.

If there were any questions about them being the favorites to win the Stanley Cup following a hard-fought six-game first-round series victory over the New York Islanders, Pittsburgh answered them emphatically in Round 2.

The Penguins are beginning to rediscover the form they had during the team’s 15-game winning streak in March, which is bad news for their next opponent – whether it’s the Boston Bruins or New York Rangers.

Pittsburgh vs. Ottawa: Are the Penguins an Unstoppable Machine? | Bleacher Report
 

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I was wondering when Detroit would come back to Earth. Looks like they landed tonight. They need a better game than that to win either of the last two games.
 

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I was wondering when Detroit would come back to Earth. Looks like they landed tonight. They need a better game than that to win either of the last two games.

yes, they sure do, babcock had those guys playing like his old team, but they aren't his old team,
maybe they just noticed the missing players. lol

but next game in detroit could be a different story, as chicago won't have that home crowd.

Yeah, they've been there before in '94, 7th game, 4th round they were just one period away from elimination...................didn't happen-:)

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I remember it like it was yesterday.

I wonder what will happen to torterella now, if I get my wish, he will be sent to 'lower slobovia'. lol

can you imagine him showing up in vancouver as their coach, wow, would the media have fun with him,
they would have him in a straight jacket in no time.

I hate his coaching, "OK boys", lets all practice blocking shots, everybody down, everybody up, OK,
repeat,-----------------repeat."

no wonder brad richards has opted out, he is actually a very skilled player, and gaborik managed to
escape, and I'm sure he was very relieved indeed.
 

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I was wondering when Detroit would come back to Earth. Looks like they landed tonight. They need a better game than that to win either of the last two games.

and also, I was thinking, of course we want the cup to 'stay in the west,' and not go to the east, so

it would be better if chicago defeat detroit, because chicago have an excellent offense AND defense,
and detroit is quite experienced in only 'part' of their defense.

both l.a. and san jose are good at both ends of the ice, doesn't really matter which one wins.

so, if l.a., san jose or chicago come out of the west, and pitts comes out of the east, either of
those three teams can handle them defensively, and the 'super stars' won't be running around having
such an easy times, if they want to win, they will have to work for it.

boston aren't going to win in the east, defense isn't good enough, and they also have trouble
scoring goals.
toronto should have defeated them.

should be a good game tonight, san jose/los angelos, tough hard nosed hockey, those teams give you
nothing, everything is through hard work, and earned.
 

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The Kings were a little bit too undisciplined tonight and it cost them. They kept giving San Jose chances, not that the Sharks were able to capitalize on all of them - that one 4 min PP? - it was sad. The Captain scored one on a PP, along with contributing in every possible way he could for the team. Electric Player of the game - a well deserved accolade.

I wasn't glued to the set but was listening as I got my dinner ready. Out of all the names on the LA team - it was Kopitar's that I seemed to hear the most. He seemed to be a part of so many plays.

Sharks continue with their great home-win record and force a Game 7. Final: 2 to 1

I would like to give a shout-out to the Halifax Mooseheads who won the Memorial Cup tonight beating the Portland Winterhawks - 6 to 4. Nathan McKinnon's stock just went up in leaps and bounds. Well done guys - Rock On! :canada:
 

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I thought the first penalty to l.a. was a joke. I also hate the delay of game penalty, I hope someday
they address that rule, and change it, it happens quite often when a team is shorthanded, makes it too easy
for opposition, it could just be treated like an icing, and not a penalty.
So, that goal for san jose is almost a freebie.

It was a stifling game, no one would let anyone do anything, but a goal here and a goal there, does
create an outcome.

The goalies are both great, and that one shot between the regier's legs, was a good one.

If this series goes as it has, of course l.a. will win, BUT a little bird tells me not to count
on that, so we'll see it thru, and whatever happens, will happen.

I'm looking forward to the chicago/detroit game tomorrow.
 
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I had to laugh at the dive that got San Jose the checking from behind penalty. Are the refs not watching the same game. It was obvious.
 

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maybe they thought they better give that one, as they had given l.a. a very similar one at beginning of game.
both were bogus.

I can't think of one playoff game that I watched so far which didn't have bogus penalties no matter the team. The officiating just stinks. In some of the games, the officials don't seem to want to call anything and allow all kinds of behind the play nastiness - then all of a sudden they seem to want to call everything. The inconsistency is just mind boggling.
 

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I can't think of one playoff game that I watched so far which didn't have bogus penalties no matter the team. The officiating just stinks. In some of the games, the officials don't seem to want to call anything and allow all kinds of behind the play nastiness - then all of a sudden they seem to want to call everything. The inconsistency is just mind boggling.

thats right, so maybe we should all think of them as entertainment, as we have laughed many times at
so-called infractons.

the problem is, some of the bogus calls affect the outcome of the game.

we all have to enjoy the athletes and their hockey, inspite of the officials, they are just a necessary
evil.
We should go through a complete game, without the officials being noticed as part of the flow of the game,
but unfortunately they become part of the game, just like the players, making a difference, that is not
their job.
 

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With the 2nd P almost underway, the score is 1 - 1. The Hawks got on the board early with a PP goal by Hossa - assists by Toews and Keith. It took almost the entire period but in the final minute of the 1rst, Detroit got on the board. I missed the Red Wings goal scorer's name. The shots were 10 apiece. Back to the game.
 

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Well that was a big disappointment........Detroit just seemed to fall apart until it was far too little and way too late. Great game by Hawks - give 'em credit - they won 4 to 3 forcing Game 7.

The ECF's will get underway this coming Saturday - ROCK THE ICE PENGUINS!