The folly of Liberals doing nothing

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Is it me or is the Liberal Party of Canada really doing nothing to improve itself as a palatable alternative to the Conservatives. Sure, they are changing their leadership with the coronation of a candidate who has no experience and whose claim to fame is based on his father's successful career as a politician. But what have the Liberals really done?

For a short while they played footsy with the NDP, that is, until the NDP won opposition status and that groping beneath the political covers came to a screeching halt. They have neither defined themselves or showed remorse for the havoc they caused during a number of scandals that left a horrid taste in the mouth of most Canadians. Like it or not, the last election results did not lie. Right now Canada have one alternative, the Conservatives, that's not good for Canada.

It's time for the Liberals to get off their self indulgent soapbox and give Canadians something more substantive than a rock star who's riding Daddy's coat tails.

 

[WindWalker]

I dunno. But I'm more at ease when they are doing nothing.

 

[wulfie68]

I agree, Mark.

We need a centrist alternative to the CPC, not a left wing party that is more extreme than its critics accuse the CPC of being. The problem is, the Liberals have slid increasingly to the left for so long (pretty much since shortly after I was born and they elected Trudeau) that they don't know where the center is any more...

 

[Cliffy]

It really doesn't matter. The next ruling party will be who the ruling class chooses it to be. The media will manipulate your opinions and thus your vote as it always has. The sheeple will vote in the next wolf to lead them to the slaughter because it so much easier than thinking for themselves..

 

[captain morgan]

We need a centrist alternative to the CPC, not a left wing party that is more extreme than its critics accuse the CPC of being. The problem is, the Liberals have slid increasingly to the left for so long (pretty much since shortly after I was born and they elected Trudeau) that they don't know where the center is any more...

I think that it'd be nice to have a second option for a center right party in the country assuming the CPC is venter right). At this point, we have the CPC and the rest are all skewed to the left

 

[L Gilbert]

Nothing's changed much in the Gliberal party. Still a fickle bunch with little sense of direction.

 

[SLM]

I think that it'd be nice to have a second option for a center right party in the country assuming the CPC is venter right). At this point, we have the CPC and the rest are all skewed to the left

I think the problem is the skew. I think what Canadian's really want is a centrist government that doesn't stray too far either left or right. So when it comes to election time, it's not really that we as a nation are leaning anymore left or right, the party that gets our votes is the one that is currently the most central of all options. In my honest opinion.

 

[L Gilbert]

I think the problem is the skew. I think what Canadian's really want is a centrist government that doesn't stray too far either left or right. So when it comes to election time, it's not really that we as a nation are leaning anymore left or right, the party that gets our votes is the one that is currently the most central of all options. In my honest opinion.

Possibly. If so, it's illusory, though. What Canadians should want is a useful and efficient gov't, not one that's left, right, or center.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Useful, and representative of the majority of the population, and not just the
fringes leaning away from the majority. I think SLM nailed it above.

 

[SLM]

Possibly. If so, it's illusory, though. What Canadians should want is a useful and efficient gov't, not one that's left, right, or center.

I just don't think we are as polarized as it's made to appear. Yes we want useful and efficient but I think we're most comfortable with something central because I think that's where most of us really are. Just a personal observation.

 

[L Gilbert]

Centrist is just what we are, but deciding on gov't just because it's centrist is foolish.

 

[SLM]

Centrist is just what we are, but deciding on gov't just because it's centrist is foolish.

Is it any more foolish than locking yourself into a polar extreme and staying there? I think what Ron said was right, we recognize the need for representative for the nation as a whole and so will welcome the party at the voting booth that has, currently, the most balanced overall view.

 

[Machjo]

Is it me or is the Liberal Party of Canada really doing nothing to improve itself as a palatable alternative to the Conservatives. Sure, they are changing their leadership with the coronation of a candidate who has no experience and whose claim to fame is based on his father's successful career as a politician. But what have the Liberals really done?

For a short while they played footsy with the NDP, that is, until the NDP won opposition status and that groping beneath the political covers came to a screeching halt. They have neither defined themselves or showed remorse for the havoc they caused during a number of scandals that left a horrid taste in the mouth of most Canadians. Like it or not, the last election results did not lie. Right now Canada have one alternative, the Conservatives, that's not good for Canada.

It's time for the Liberals to get off their self indulgent soapbox and give Canadians something more substantive than a rock star who's riding Daddy's coat tails.

All any party has to do to get my vote is to present to me the best local candidate morally and intellectually (especially morally), and that candidate gets my vote.

 

[L Gilbert]

Is it any more foolish than locking yourself into a polar extreme and staying there? I think what Ron said was right, we recognize the need for representative for the nation as a whole and so will welcome the party at the voting booth that has, currently, the most balanced overall view.

No, it isn't any more foolish. It's the same thing.
I'm not arguing, just pointing out that people consider the wrong things when they vote. personally, I prefer voting for who I think would do the best job for my area regardless of whether she or he were centrist, communist, capitalist, or Martian. My tendency in voting is only centrist.

 

[SLM]

No, it isn't any more foolish. It's the same thing.
I'm not arguing, just pointing out that people consider the wrong things when they vote. personally, I prefer voting for who I think would do the best job for my area regardless of whether she or he were centrist, communist, capitalist, or Martian. My tendency in voting is only centrist.

Exactly, so if the tendency towards voting for the majority is centrist, then it only makes sense that the party that at least appears the most centrist at election time is going to have the best results. In the context of this thread, the Liberals need to establish themselves as a more centrist party as opposed to worrying over who their leader is. Look at Harper, he's about as exciting as a wet blanket and he has a majority.

 

[Liberalman]

When one has a third party status they let the official opposition to flounder since the media will tell their story.

The Liberal party of Canada were in a rebuilding mode so not having the spotlight on them was OK.

Next week the leader will announced and the drive to the Prime Minister’s office will begin and the official opposition will take a back seat like if the NDP really had a chance.

 

[L Gilbert]

Exactly, so if the tendency towards voting for the majority is centrist, then it only makes sense that the party that at least appears the most centrist at election time is going to have the best results. In the context of this thread, the Liberals need to establish themselves as a more centrist party as opposed to worrying over who their leader is. Look at Harper, he's about as exciting as a wet blanket and he has a majority.

That is where I disagree. I think if the Gliberals want to crawl out of their rut, they need a bright, fairly canny individual to lead them. If this person turns out to be centrist, so much the better. As you said, Harper got a majority amongst those who bothered to vote and he seems to be somewhat right of center, IMO.

 

[Durry]

The Liberals give to the Conservatives and they just keep on giving!! Hahaha!!

Now they have some dumbo with only a Teaching degree and no experience in business, who will soon lead the Libs, and with this they seem to think they have a future PM in hand!!!
Hahaha, what a bunch of dreamers!!! No wonder they keep losing seats with every election, soon they will be joining the museums of dinosaurs!! Hahaha!!!

They may have had a decent chance with Frank McKenna, now with this dumbo they have nothing!!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

When one has a third party status they let the official opposition to flounder since the media will tell their story.

The Liberal party of Canada were in a rebuilding mode so not having the spotlight on them was OK.

Next week the leader will announced and the drive to the Prime Minister’s office will begin and the official opposition will take a back seat like if the NDP really had a chance.

Your arrogance speaks volumes about why the natural governing party is in the doldrums to begin with.

 

[damngrumpy]

The conservatives have a defined position and so do the NDP the Liberals are where the
NDP was during the 1980's, At that time the NDP was looking for a reason to exist and
they found themselves making serious decisions to come back. The Liberals are not going
to do that. The Liberals will not be coming back to the center stage as I believe the NDP
will be opposition for some time, and perhaps even the government in waiting. Canadians
are looking for alternatives and the older folks are not overly happy with the idea of less
for pensions and other programs and old folks like me vote. The biggest key to ousting a
government is change the attitude of fear to that of anger.
You know who wins elections, parties that concentrate on making the public hate the enemy
more than they hate you. Polarized politics has no opponents the opponents are the enemy
sad but true