Special rights for certain groups in Canada

[karrie]

Obviously the right candidate should fit into the context of what the employer is looking for. I'm quite pleased that the company I work for values the strengths of the person more than the alphabet soup behind their name. There are people in high level positions with just a Bachelors degree. That is not at all the same situation in our competitors, whom we have poached many employees from recently.

I should say, as well as looking for practical experience, capacity to learn matters too. Hubby hired one young woman who's done almost no hands on work, but showed aptitude and willingness to learn it fast.

He also passed over two applicants who held two masters each, and spoke 5 languages, because they showed none of said willingness. They're too smart to need to learn from people who have no degrees. And in the oil patch, the upper tier of management is often people with almost zero formal education.

The educational certificates are great, but they definitely aren't the be all and end all.

 

[CDNBear]

They're too smart to need to learn from people who have no degrees.

I love those kinds of people.

They're a source of endless entertainment when they flounder in the real world.

 

[karrie]

I love those kinds of people.

They're a source of endless entertainment when they flounder in the real world.

To be fair they may not flounder when working for another engineer, or someone else who they feel warrants being above them. But they showed a clear derision at the notion of being engineers and working for 'techs'.

 

[CDNBear]

To be fair they may not flounder when working for another engineer, or someone else who they feel warrants being above them.

Actually, it was the papered ponce's at the top, that were going through my mind when I wrote that.

There's nothing quiet as satisfying as pissing off an engineer with a PhD no less, with facts and making him look like the proper tool he is in front of his peers.

But they showed a clear derision at the notion of being engineers and working for 'techs'.

Oh I get that too.

 

[Tonington]

I should say, as well as looking for practical experience, capacity to learn matters too. Hubby hired one young woman who's done almost no hands on work, but showed aptitude and willingness to learn it fast.

Yep. It's called learning agility. Though it's not always easy to assess in an interview.

And in the oil patch, the upper tier of management is often people with almost zero formal education.

You know it's funny, I ended up in Alberta working a labour job that I loved, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Then when I was on the job, I noticed that our experienced foreman and the son of the company owner had made an error in interpretting the architectural drawings. I pointed it out twice. By the time the job was finished, if you stood at one end of the patio, you could see that from the middle of the patio where the stairs were built, that the retaining wall cut back towards the house. The corner ended up nearly one foot inside of where it should have been. The glass walls on the edge of the patio made it really obvious. Though I thought it was obvious from the start. They measured from the foundation at one end, and from the exterior of the house at the other. On a job worth about $140,000. Not sure what happened after I left to go back to school, but I wouldn't have been happy if I paid that kind of money and that was the result.

Yeah, what do I know! :lol:

The educational certificates are great, but they definitely aren't the be all and end all.

For sure.

 

[Sal]

I have experienced the "old boys club" my whole life. I still see it in the area where I work today which is the last place one would expect to see it. The women in the high ranks work harder, longer and are more isolated and there is still a wink, wink nudge, nudge attitude that prevails.

Because I am not in a highly ranked position, nor am I of an age where I wish to be again, a lot of honest opinions pass my ears. It's still a man's world in many work environments. So as for the dumbing down... maybe it always has been because women have always been barred from a lot of high ranking jobs and still are.

While I think people should be hired on merit alone, it has not happened since the Industrial revolution. We are still fighting for equality on many levels. At some point the cycle needs to be broken. Until it is, it must be forced. That is why the edge to hire women.

There is as much drama with men as with women. I have 18 guys on my crew from 20 to 56 and it never ends...

Absolutely and until I worked with a whole group of guys when I was younger I had no idea about the amount of gossiping...

 

[CDNBear]

I know a woman that disagrees with you and wulfie.

Just sayin'.

 

[karrie]

Absolutely and until I worked with a whole group of guys when I was younger I had no idea about the amount of gossiping...

I've spent enough time in oil patch coffee rooms to know what men are like. And when their cycles synch up and they all PMS together, holy crap, watch out. That's when someone inevitably takes a run at management, demands a raise, stomps out pissed off because someone didn't do 'their share' in the shop, etc.

 

[CDNBear]

I've spent enough time in oil patch coffee rooms to know what men are like. And when their cycles synch up and they all PMS together, holy crap, watch out. That's when someone inevitably takes a run at management, demands a raise, stomps out pissed off because someone didn't do 'their share' in the shop, etc.

I think some people confuse righteous indignation with malicious caterwauling.

 

[karrie]

I think some people confuse righteous indignation with malicious caterwauling.

Oh, I can see the difference. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes it's just moodiness. Men are no different from women in that regard. Honestly, the guys used to laugh about it. There would be days where the whole mood around the shop was just pissy for no good reason.

 

[CDNBear]

Men are no different from women in that regard.

SCB disagrees.

I've seen what you're talking about, I also have a different opinion about the cause of it, compared to less stressful work environments.

 

[karrie]

SCB disagrees.

I've seen what you're talking about, I also have a different opinion about the cause of it, compared to less stressful work environments.

well my spouse disagrees with you. so what?

 

[CDNBear]

well my spouse disagrees with you. so what?

Then he likely isn't a roughneck.

 

[Sal]

I know a woman that disagrees with you and wulfie.

Just sayin'.

Each respective work place has it's own environment. Most of my life I worked in an industry that was primarily female. I did not tolerate back biting and thus hired management team members that had the same philosophy as me. When selecting new employees a huge part of the process was to ensure that the new individual meshed with the current team. If they got hired and then didn't fit thereby poisoning the environment....they were assisted in learning to see that better opportunities awaited them outside the door.

Unless an individual is working solo, attitude and ability to at least appear to blend in is huge.

 

[karrie]

Then he likely isn't a roughneck.

He was yes. And then the vast majority of my time spent watching the guys in the patch was after he moved on to tool hand running downhole completions equipment. So if he wasn't sitting on a rig, he was in the shop wrenching stuff together. What difference does that make?

The women in his field are no different from the men. It's all the same amount of moodiness and gossip and drama.

 

[Niflmir]

I imagine it is the misogynists that come up with these quotas.

What better way to make a woman employee feel inadequate than for them to constantly wonder if they were only hired because they have breasts and a ******.

Meanwhile, if you are a male employee then you can rest assured that you were hired because you are qualified.

 

[Sal]

I imagine it is the misogynists that come up with these quotas.

What better way to make a woman employee feel inadequate than for them to constantly wonder if they were only hired because they have breasts and a ******.

Meanwhile, if you are a male employee then you can rest assured that you were hired because you are qualified.

I like that slant... ♦

 

[Niflmir]

Really, can't say vag? Is ***** censored too?

 

[gerryh]

Really, can't say vag? Is ***** censored too?

There's ways around the terminally an al censor.

vag ina

pe nis

 

[Niflmir]

There's ways around the terminally an al censor.

vag ina

pe nis

Can just switch to other languages: Cazzo, figa.