UK Parliament votes in favour of same-sex marriage

[CDNBear]

You're funny.

You're generous and forgiving.

 

[Walter]

Moral decay is a sign that the empire is falling apart. Corruption in all levels of government and business would qualify as moral decay more than gay marriage.

All of the above are symptoms.

 

[Blackleaf]

You're funny.

There are only twenty-six Lords Spiritual in the House of Lords, out of over seven hundred members. While these bishops are certainly respected and will be heard, their votes -- even combined with the votes of Conservative peers -- are nowhere near the numbers that would be required to suspend the legislation. Moreover, in any case, the House of Lords has only a suspensive veto over this bill. If the Lords reject the bill, then the Commons may force the issue again in the next session and pass the bill again; and upon this second passage, the Parliament Act, 1911, sets out that the bill may be presented to Her Majesty the Queen without the consent of the House of Lords.

The Queen won't give consent for a gay marriage bill. Not when she's the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and not when her people don't want it. There have been mass protests in France against gay marriage and there will be here should there be any chance of this awful bill becoming law.

Actually, polls have shown that support for same-sex marriage in the United Kingdom has only grown over the past year or so (see here).

Polls show that most people in Britain are against gay marriage. A recent poll by ComRes has shown that seven out of 10 British people believe that marriage should continue to be defined as a lifelong union between a man and a woman, and more than eight out 10 think children have the best chance in life when raised by their biological parents, the ComRes online survey of more than 2,000 people found. The poll also found that people think the state should promote heterosexual marriage.

70% against redefining marriage, poll shows | Catholic Voices

Also, not to nit-pick, but the term "gay marriage" is biased

Of course it's biased. We're talking about marriage between gay people, not marriage between normal people.

and really ought to not be used;

It has to be used, We're not talking about legalising marriage in Britain. We're talking about legalising gay marriage.

it only reinforces the idea that your opposition to same-sex marriage is based on your discomfort with the idea of male-male sexual activity in the context of your own sexual preferences, rather than the concept of marriage equality.

I do feel discomfort at the idea of gay marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman only.

 

[CDNBear]

I do feel discomfort at the idea of gay marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman only.

Why?

Of course it's biased. We're talking about marriage between gay people, not marriage between normal people.

Wow, lol.

 

[Sal]

Polls show that most people in Britain are against gay marriage. A recent poll by ComRes has shown that seven out of 10 British people believe that marriage should continue to be defined as a lifelong union between a man and a woman, and more than eight out 10 think children have the best chance in life when raised by their biological parents, the ComRes online survey of more than 2,000 people found.

Blackleaf, first let me say. I respect your right to feel uncomfortable with gay marriage. The problem with polls is that they merely reflect people's opinion and have nothing to do with facts. Children actually have the best chance in life when they are raised in a balanced, loving home. It has in fact nothing to do with the biology of their parents since dysfunction can occur in either sex.

There are many children raised in abuse and suffer daily at the hands of their biological parents.

Of course it's biased. We're talking about marriage between gay people, not marriage between normal people.

Gay is a sexual orientation and does not affect whether or not someone is normal from a psychological perspective.

I do feel discomfort at the idea of gay marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman only.

Understandable. Most people feel discomfort when faced with that with which they are unfamiliar. If you were to speak with gay couples, get to know them as human beings and understand their feelings, you might be surprised at how your views would begin to shift. It's where many of us had to begin.

 

[WLDB]

The Queen won't give consent for a gay marriage bill. Not when she's the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and not when her people don't want it.

The head of the church which was invented to redefine marriage doesnt want to redefine marriage? How strange. Its amazing that the church even exists anymore considering how it was formed.

Also, when was the last time the Queen (or any monarch for that matter) has refused to sign a bill presented to her? I imagine that'd be pretty big news and cause a backlash against the monarchy in general. She didnt seem to concerned when her representative here signed it into law.

 

[taxslave]

The Queen won't give consent for a gay marriage bill. Not when she's the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and not when her people don't want it. There have been mass protests in France against gay marriage and there will be here should there be any chance of this awful bill becoming law.




Polls show that most people in Britain are against gay marriage. A recent poll by ComRes has shown that seven out of 10 British people believe that marriage should continue to be defined as a lifelong union between a man and a woman, and more than eight out 10 think children have the best chance in life when raised by their biological parents, the ComRes online survey of more than 2,000 people found. The poll also found that people think the state should promote heterosexual marriage.

70% against redefining marriage, poll shows | Catholic Voices



Of course it's biased. We're talking about marriage between gay people, not marriage between normal people.



It has to be used, We're not talking about legalising marriage in Britain. We're talking about legalising gay marriage.



I do feel discomfort at the idea of gay marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a woman only.

Since when are gays not normal people?

 

[coldstream]

It's another nail in the coffin of Western Civilization.. a form of mass insanity (unable to tell the difference between good and evil)..unstoppable now it seems.. a highway to hell. A new Dark Age looms.

 

[gerryh]

It's another nail in the coffin of Western Civilization.. a form of mass insanity (unable to tell the difference between good and evil)..unstoppable now it seems.. a highway to hell. A new Dark Age looms.

roflmfao... ya....ok.....

 

[FiveParadox]

The Queen won't give consent for a gay marriage bill. Not when she's the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and not when her people don't want it. There have been mass protests in France against gay marriage and there will be here should there be any chance of this awful bill becoming law.

Her Majesty the Queen of Canada chose not to exercise her authority to veto the decision of The Right Honourable Madame Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin P.C., the Chief Justice of Canada, when she signified royal assent to our own Civil Marriage Act (in her capacity, at the time, as the Administrator of Her Majesty's Government for Canada). I somehow doubt that Her Majesty would elect to become quite so activist in a matter such as this. The bill before your Parliament now only seeks to bring the United Kingdom back up to where it should be -- as an example to the rest of the Commonwealth of Nations as to what proper respect for rights and freedoms is supposed to look like.

Also, Her Majesty would have no reason to stand in the way of this bill, even in Her Majesty's capacity as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. The Marriage Act, 1949, as amended by the proposed Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, would include under clause 26A(5) an express exclusion for the Church of England. It is expressly declared, in that clause, that nothing in the religious marriage opt-in section "is to be taken to relate or have any reference to marriages solemnized according to the rites of the Church of England." (Source)

Polls show that most people in Britain are against gay marriage. A recent poll by ComRes has shown that seven out of 10 British people believe that marriage should continue to be defined as a lifelong union between a man and a woman, and more than eight out 10 think children have the best chance in life when raised by their biological parents, the ComRes online survey of more than 2,000 people found. The poll also found that people think the state should promote heterosexual marriage.

Again -- no, they don't.

The poll and research that you have cited are out-of-date. This online survey was conducted on February 23-24, 2012, and was "commissioned by Catholic Voices." This took place before Her Majesy's Government had even started its consultations on the matter. After more than eleven months, and a fulsome public discussion on the matter, it is clearly apparent that the public opinion on the matter has shifted. (See here; I thought it might be good to throw in some research that was not "commissioned by Catholic Voices" -- i.e., ComRes.)

Of course it's biased. We're talking about marriage between gay people, not marriage between normal people.

I think it would be better if I ignored this comment, lest a moderator see fit to have me hanged.

It has to be used, We're not talking about legalising marriage in Britain. We're talking about legalising gay marriage.

The United Kingdom is not talking about legalising "gay marriage," you're discussing whether to legalise "same-sex marriage." The term "gay marriage" is abused by conservatives to stir up discomfort with the idea of male-male sexual activity; the idea of lesbian or bisexual women marrying is minimised in the conservative debate so as to ensure the most dramatic possible argument against. This speaks to a whole range of social biases that modern people really should be pushing to move past at this point.

 

[CDNBear]

If I was gay, I'd so be in love with you. lol.

You rock!

 

[gerryh]

he does, doesn't he.