Student opens fire at California high school, wounding one

Colpy

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No, what WOULD help is getting rid of weapons all together

So OK, Harry, wave your magic wand and make all the guns in the world disappear.....

And we'll go back to killing each other with tomahawks.

BTW, the Americans are NOT surrendering their guns, any more than Canadians did......
 

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What? Do you have a crystal ball? Do you play with Tarot cards?? Keep dreaming, bub.

No, Sonny, you read a little history.

Like Lexington and Concord.

The last time the gov't tried mass seizures of people's guns in the USA.

They have not been millions upon millions of semi-auto 5.56, and 7.62 rifles sold with tens of millions of high capacity magazines so that the gov't can come and steal them.

Despite your school-boy fantasies, it won't happen.
 

JamesBondo

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It is very simple. The US has 10 times the population in a smaller land mass and has much bigger cities. Three words: crowded rat syndrome. Nothing to do with guns. Violence is big in cities and if they don't have guns, they will use whatever is available, like the guy who punched the guy to death on the subway last week.

While that seems totally reasonable, I have to disagree. I think the stats and analysis are often as polarizing as the opinions on this topic. I once heard that the downtown core of a city experiences more crime in numbers but it is actually less crime if expressed as a rate per people. The reason cited was a dynamic often 24/7 downtown core has more bystanders, witnesses and good Samaritans. Criminals are not able to be as discrete as they can in less populated areas, and police are called faster.
 

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? it's kids shooting eachother. It's exactly what most people would think it is. Targeted, not targeted, a reason, no reason... it makes no difference. Someone snapped so hard they walked into school to kill people.

Most anyone these days would assume it was the ever present 'assault rifle' or a handgun.
 

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How the hell did the kid manage to get a shotgun all the way from the school entrance to the classroom in the first place? Drills may all be well and fine, but if people can come and go with guns any amount of drills and such won't help keeping people from being shot. Un-f'n-real.
good point, it's not like he could conceal it in his parka and muckluks.
 

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How the hell did the kid manage to get a shotgun all the way from the school entrance to the classroom in the first place? Drills may all be well and fine, but if people can come and go with guns any amount of drills and such won't help keeping people from being shot. Un-f'n-real.

Disassembled??

Guitar case??

Did he drive to school???

Who knows.
 

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Instead of banning the guns maybe they should outlaw the State where
the shooting took place. No, blame it on Obama
 

karrie

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Oh, yep. People carrying shotguns around in a school is pretty easy to pass up. o_O
Mind you, I ran over a dude exiting a Shopper's Drug Mart the other day when I was in the mall. Idiot had his head pointed at his electrical doodad instead of where his feet were toting the rest of him.

let me clarify... I assume people were in class so they didn't SEE him.
 

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I figured. The high school in the small town where I went had classrooms too but there was always a few people wandering about the halls.
But anyway, a few CCTV cams around schools with someone watching the monitors would cut back on incidents like this, I'm sure.
 

karrie

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I figured. The high school in the small town where I went had classrooms too but there was always a few people wandering about the halls.
But anyway, a few CCTV cams around schools with someone watching the monitors would cut back on incidents like this, I'm sure.

A lot of US schools have armed guards (safety officers I think is the pc term?). But, everyone can't be everywhere at once.
 

karrie

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I'd think cameras would be cheaper. (And mounted low so that they can catch faces, not high so the viewer gets a good look at the tops of hats).


You'd need to hire one person for every camera to ensure no one ever slipped by unnoticed. You simply can't supervise every square foot of every school all the time.
 

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You'd need to hire one person for every camera to ensure no one ever slipped by unnoticed. You simply can't supervise every square foot of every school all the time.
Not really. One person could watch at least 4 monitors. All you'd have to do is watch for activity and people's eyes are drawn to activity when there isn't supposed to be any.
But anyway, I guess an armed guard per room and per hallway would be the way to go. Or better yet, two, just in case the bad guy gets the drop on one guard. Or perhaps just a guard at every window and door and they could strip and cavity search all who wanted in. ;)
I think I'd home school my kids even more than we did if we were going to go through it again.
 

karrie

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Not really. One person could watch at least 4 monitors. All you'd have to do is watch for activity and people's eyes are drawn to activity when there isn't supposed to be any.
But anyway, I guess an armed guard per room and per hallway would be the way to go. Or better yet, two, just in case the bad guy gets the drop on one guard. Or perhaps just a guard at every window and door and they could strip and cavity search all who wanted in. ;)
I think I'd home school my kids even more than we did if we were going to go through it again.


Personally I think one armed guard per school suffices.

The point I'm trying to make is simply that people slip through, it doesn't mean you need to add more guards, or surveilance, or freak the heck out.

People are freaked out enough as it is.
 

Sal

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Personally I think one armed guard per school suffices.

The point I'm trying to make is simply that people slip through, it doesn't mean you need to add more guards, or surveilance, or freak the heck out.

People are freaked out enough as it is.
pshaw, I say freak out, arm everyone, shoot the town up... nanny the whole country up, bring back the hip holster for everyone...