Statue of Liberty reopens today after $30 million interior renovation

PoliticalNick

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Actually, they do, if the 'enterprise' in question is tourism business.

You must have missed the words 'necessary for an economy to function'. Somehow I think the economy would function just fine if the statue/tourist trap wasn't fixed or wasn't even there at all.
 

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You must have missed the words 'necessary for an economy to function'. Somehow I think the economy would function just fine if the statue/tourist trap wasn't fixed or wasn't even there at all.

I think you're are embarking on a "slippery slope". Things like parks and museums could be argued that they are not necessary for the economy to function. What would be next? The Smithsonian Institute? Yellowstone Park? Alcatraz?
 

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I think you're are embarking on a "slippery slope". Things like parks and museums could be argued that they are not necessary for the economy to function. What would be next? The Smithsonian Institute? Yellowstone Park? Alcatraz?

I am not saying there is no good in these things. What I am saying is dropping $30 mil on a statue when your so f*cking broke you can't buy a glass of water from a river is stupid.

Think of all the underfunded essential services and whether $30 million would help one of them. Drop it on education or build a couple of rural firehalls or fund a few dozen doctors or some medical equipment somewhere.

People seem to still be blind to just how f*cking insanely in debt the western world is and how our so-called leaders keep taking us further down the hole.

This is just another example of the citizens giving the politicians a free pass with our money when we should be kicking their asses out of office.
 

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I am not saying there is no good in these things. What I am saying is dropping $30 mil on a statue when your so f*cking broke you can't buy a glass of water from a river is stupid.

Think of all the underfunded essential services and whether $30 million would help one of them. Drop it on education or build a couple of rural firehalls or fund a few dozen doctors or some medical equipment somewhere.

People seem to still be blind to just how f*cking insanely in debt the western world is and how our so-called leaders keep taking us further down the hole.

This is just another example of the citizens giving the politicians a free pass with our money when we should be kicking their asses out of office.

Even when there is a huge deficit there can still be sense in spending money to make money.


Economic Impact
2010
Total visitor spending from New York City tourism in 2010: $31.5 billion
Total wages generated by New York City tourism in 2010: $17.3 billion
Total NYC jobs supported by visitor spending in 2010: 310,156
Total taxes generated by visitor spending in 2010: $8.1 billion
Each New York City household benefited by an average of $1,350 in tax savings as a result of travel and tourism
NYC Statistics / nycgo.com


If these numbers are even remotely accurate, billions of dollars of revenue is generated each year from tourism in NYC, of which the Statue of Liberty is prime destination and it represents less than 10% of one years revenue. But this investment, and it is an investment, will benefit over many, many years.



Yes there is woefully underfunded essential services, of that there is no doubt. But these services will never receive the funding they need if the area is not self-sustaining with a vibrant local economy, of which tourism is a large part of.



So I vehemently disagree that this is an example of politicians/bureaucrats throwing away our (or more specifically US citizens) tax dollars. There are plenty of examples of that occurring, I won't argue that, but this is not one of them.
 

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It doesn't say if the fire & ventilation is required or not. I would imagine it meets existing fire codes or it would be shut down.
Fire codes for public sites are upgraded all the time.

I could actually see you spending $3000 on something you didn't need to get a $3 dividend at the end of the year.
That's because you aren't very bright.

From SLM's post said:
2010
Total visitor spending from New York City tourism in 2010: $31.5 billion
Total wages generated by New York City tourism in 2010: $17.3 billion
Total NYC jobs supported by visitor spending in 2010: 310,156
Total taxes generated by visitor spending in 2010: $8.1 billion
Each New York City household benefited by an average of $1,350 in tax savings as a result of travel and tourism
That's a lot more than $3 and the very reason why things like Lady Liberty and Mount Rushmore are considered infrastructure.

Hence showing proof my observation is correct.

Roads are infratructure. So are rails, power grids, communication lines and even some necessary govt buildings. A statue is not!

If it was infrastructure I could understand but it is a statue.

Infrastructure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, no statues or tourist attractions in this definition.
Although TP and SLM adequately refuted the absurdity of your claim. Lady Liberty is a lot more than just a statue, as Mount Rushmore is a lot more than just a carving.

Both are considered infrastructure.

even when there is a huge deficit there can still be sense in spending money to make money.

nyc statistics / nycgo.com

if these numbers are even remotely accurate, billions of dollars of revenue is generated each year from tourism in nyc, of which the statue of liberty is prime destination and it represents less than 10% of one years revenue. But this investment, and it is an investment, will benefit over many, many years.

Yes there is woefully underfunded essential services, of that there is no doubt. But these services will never receive the funding they need if the area is not self-sustaining with a vibrant local economy, of which tourism is a large part of.

So i vehemently disagree that this is an example of politicians/bureaucrats throwing away our (or more specifically us citizens) tax dollars. There are plenty of examples of that occurring, i won't argue that, but this is not one of them.
+100
 

karrie

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I've never been to this one, but I have seen the one in Paris, which made Ten Penny's observation all the more apt.
 

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I've never been to this one, but I have seen the one in Paris, which made Ten Penny's observation all the more apt.
Not really.

France today, is not the France of 1886.

Franco American values and relations have gone in different directions.
 

karrie

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And it's not funny that they still cling to a giant French statue as one of their icons of 'America' while scoffing at the French? Sorry, I checked into it, still amusing.
 

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And it's not funny that they still cling to a giant French statue as one of their icons of 'America' while scoffing at the French?
They don't cling to a giant French statue, they cling to the message of freedom and liberty she purveys.

Neither the US, nor France of today, and the Franco/American ties that precipitated her creation, exist today in the same context.

Sorry, I checked into it, still amusing.
To each their own. It still doesn't make much sense to try and equate France and the US of today, to France and the US of 1886.

It's tantamount to saying you have no right to be cross with someone who you feel betrayed you, because they gave you a coffee cup 30 years ago.
 

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No, they spent it on the iconic image that sends that message.
The message is the message. It could be written on paper and still have the same impact as some statue. Kinda like the Consitution, for instance. :D

Some in the US feel so.
So? Does that mean France actually did? And on the other hand, I wonder how the French feel about the economic mess that American businesses and gov't treated the planet to.
 

karrie

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They don't cling to a giant French statue, they cling to the message of freedom and liberty she purveys.

Neither the US, nor France of today, and the Franco/American ties that precipitated her creation, exist today in the same context.

To each their own. It still doesn't make much sense to try and equate France and the US of today, to France and the US of 1886.

It's tantamount to saying you have no right to be cross with someone who you feel betrayed you, because they gave you a coffee cup 30 years ago.

I never said that they have no right to feel whatever they feel about France Bear. I just find it amusing considering its origins and the current state of affairs.
 

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The message is the message. It could be written on paper and still have the same impact as some statue. Kinda like the Consitution, for instance. :D
It could, but there it is in New York, in all her patina'd glory.

So? Does that mean France actually did?
No, but that's irrelevant.

And on the other hand, I wonder how the French feel about the economic mess that American businesses and gov't treated the planet to.
:roll:

I just find it amusing considering its origins and the current state of affairs.
The current state of affairs is exactly why I disagree with your opinion.

I think my an*logy adequately sums it up.
 

karrie

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No, i think your ****ogy is taking a small 'huh, isn't that funny', and blowing it completely out of proportion.