Nailed With Fraud By TD Bank Yet Again!

IdRatherBeSkiing

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One little piece of advice from my wife's trip to Britain last year. Jan gave the bank a complete
rundown of the planned trip, where she was going and when. It was a two week trip and the day
she got back the TD Bank called about a few charges from Iceland. She still has yet to visited Iceland.
Somewhere in Scotland, in a restaurant, it took a long time to get her card back after paying for breakfast.
She thinks that is where the card was cloned.

My card wound up in Los Angeles. It doesn't even have to take long if they use a modified credit card scanner.

The reason you give notification is so they don't auto-trigger a fraud alert and decline your transactions.
 

Niflmir

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... the province of ontario has the repellent distinction of being the location where i've been popped for the first time with credit card fraud ...

... this could have happened in ANY country in the world. it could have happened in africa, the phillipines, mexico. but where does it happen? it happens in the country that doesn't regulate the financial services industry in any way and in fact conspires with the financial services industry to defraud its victims ...

It can be prevented quite easily. My bank issues a small terminal to anyone who opens an account. For the websites that implement fraud prevention, such as Skype, I have to insert my card into this terminal, type in my pin, and copy the number from the terminal to the webform. This proves that the card was present in the transaction, and that I know the PIN: two factor authentication.

Unless someone breaks into my house and modifies the terminal to capture my PIN then breaks into my house at a later date to steal my card no fraud is possible. Even if someone goes to all that trouble, they will only be able to commit fraud until I phone up my bank to tell them my card has been stolen.

This can easily be implemented in Canada as well. The chip is already on the card.
 

karrie

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I have had the issue with 2 other banks (I don't personally bank with TD) and in each case they reversed the charges, sent me a new card (occassionally by courier if I needed it quick) and were very good about it. But it does happen and there are some shady merchants out there and some shady employees working for reputable merchants. This is the source of the fraud in most cases.

The fraud, every time we've had it happen, which has been twice, has always happened in the US. It's always been completely unralated to us, never an issue of any merchant we've been near or employee, just random fraud.
 

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The fraud, every time we've had it happen, which has been twice, has always happened in the US. It's always been completely unralated to us, never an issue of any merchant we've been near or employee, just random fraud.

That could be. I know that usage of the cards is easier in the states since they don't have the chip. It removes that level of the security.
 

Niflmir

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The fraud, every time we've had it happen, which has been twice, has always happened in the US. It's always been completely unralated to us, never an issue of any merchant we've been near or employee, just random fraud.

That's how it happens. They will just install a skimmer in an ATM somewhere and gather off the magstripe data; it is almost impossible to realize that the ATM has been modified in this way. It will become less prevalent as more and more countries switch to EMV. Then card not present fraud will rise until banks start to universally issue personal card readers to their cardholders. Then the only type of fraud remaining will be the lost and stolen.
 

The Old Medic

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... never once been hit with credit card fraud before. but as soon as td bank financial group takes over mbna credit card i'm nailed with not one but SEVEN (!!!) incidents of fraud all at once. my mbna credit card was used by somebody to execute fraudulent transactions at paypal in ontario, which is also in the credit card business ...

... this is a recurring problem with td bank financial group. td bank illegally confiscated all of my family's business assets at its brokerage and bank, it conspired with the federal government to illegally obstruct me from accessing my rrsp, and now td bank has taken away my credit card ...

... holy smokes! this bank is in BIG trouble ...

The Bank could not, and would not illegally confiscate all of your families business assets, unless your family either owes the bank, or the Federal Government a LOT of money. I would be willing to bet that wizard's family didn't pay their taxes, so the government stopped them from accessing their funds until the dept is paid.
 

CDNBear

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I didn't want to say anything... but that was the drift I got as well.
You could say anything you want really. Unless it fits into the wizzy's reality, you would be wrong, lol.

The Bank could not, and would not illegally confiscate all of your families business assets, unless your family either owes the bank, or the Federal Government a LOT of money. I would be willing to bet that wizard's family didn't pay their taxes, so the government stopped them from accessing their funds until the dept is paid.
Nope.

He posted a link to his memoirs. It pretty much outlined his legal battles with his sister, whom had power of attorney of his father, who was attempting to recoup embezzled funds. And his battle with his mental health.

Although it's meant to read like a saga of a lone man fending off the CRA, BC gov't, several banks, the RCMP, Vancouver Police, his own lawyers, the penal system and various other attorney's. The truth comes screaming out, in spades.
 
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wizard

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I think the wiz was complaining that he's been accused of credit card fraud.
... unless they were paying me lip service, the credit card representatives took my word unequivocally that the seven paypal transactions were fraudulent. which they were of course ...
 

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The Bank could not, and would not illegally confiscate all of your families business assets, unless your family either owes the bank, or the Federal Government a LOT of money. I would be willing to bet that wizard's family didn't pay their taxes, so the government stopped them from accessing their funds until the dept is paid.

I think that if you're trying to fraudulently steal your father's assets, the banks would probably freeze them.

And I believe that's why someone has a hate on - he got caught trying to steal his father's assets, and like all good children, blames those who caught him.
 

wizard

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I think that if you're trying to fraudulently steal your father's assets, the banks would probably freeze them.

And I believe that's why someone has a hate on - he got caught trying to steal his father's assets, and like all good children, blames those who caught him.
... simply not true, tenpenny. i haven't been found liable of stealing anything from my father ...
 

CDNBear

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... simply not true, tenpenny. i haven't been found liable of stealing anything from my father ...
Liable, or guilty?

You may not have been charged and/or convicted of embezzlement, but the courts found in favour of your father, and your sister. The Courts then took action to recoup the funds that you plced under your care without authority.

At least that's what your memoirs indicate.
 

wizard

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Liable, or guilty?

You may not have been charged and/or convicted of embezzlement, but the courts found in favour of your father, and your sister. The Courts then took action to recoup the funds that you plced under your care without authority.

At least that's what your memoirs indicate.
... i wasn't asked to pay any damages or pay back any money taken inappropriately. as a matter of fact, i emerged from the case without a scratch ...

... and i find your obsessive interest in my personal affairs incredibly disturbing ...
 

CDNBear

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... i wasn't asked to pay any damages or pay back any money taken inappropriately. as a matter of fact, i emerged from the case without a scratch ...
That's odd, you noted it at the beginning of this thread. Not to mention the memoirs you posted here.

... and i find your obsessive interest in my personal affairs incredibly disturbing ...
If you post it, they will reply. You posted your personal affairs here for comment.

If you don't want us to comment of your personal affairs, don't make them known.

I find your paranoia and delusions, funny and entertaining.
 

BruSan

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I think I've heard it all now! Put your life history on the internet but then accuse someone of obsessive interest for recalling that story?

Help me out here have I missed something in this exchange?