Stripping expatriate right to vote may be unconstitutional

[damngrumpy]

The five year rule has a history with government though, and that is likely why
they chose five years. This could open a new look at the revenue side as well.
It is my understanding that if a Canadian is abroad in America or Europe or
where ever and they do not enter Canada within a five year window they do not
have to pay taxes in the country where they are living and Canada too.
I think if someone is living elsewhere and have held onto their citizenship they
should be able to vote.
Would it be just to say, that if you lived somewhere else for more than five years
they should lose their citizenship? Of course not, therefore a Canadian with a
valid citizenship should be allowed to vote, period.

 

[gerryh]

The vote is part and parcel of citizenship. Without citizen votes there is not democracy. That is a principle long established and. many say, the vote is the essence of democracy.

should a Canadian Ambassador to a foreign country or the High Commissioner in. say, San Francisco, be deprived of the vote because they live and work overseas? Should servicemenr in WWII have been deprived of the vote because they were fighting overseas for more than five years.

It really is a no-brainer. A citizen is entitled to vote no matter how long s/he has been out of the country working. This enforcement now is part of the Jingoistic nationalism that is the new Canada under Harper.

Further, since most expats are in professional or ranking civil positions as well as in government service, they usually know far more about Canadian political conditions than the average "homer." Just keeping in touch with their homeland makes them so.

They CHOSE to live, work, and pay taxes in another country. As far as I am concerned, those that make that choice should lose not only their right to vote in Canada but also their citizenship.

They refuse to admit her as a resident, because of her medical condition. They say it would cause an extraordinary expense on the Medicare system.

As it would. The way our medical works it would be people like myself, taxpayers, that would end up paying for her upkeep, and you can suck my dick if you think I would be fine with paying for an americans medical conditions when they have never contributed to our social network.

 

[SLM]

I was trying to provoke him to support his claims. Not crush his little feelings.

I have no problem crushing them, lol.

 

[gerryh]

I was trying to provoke him to support his claims. Not crush his little feelings.

he/she/it doesn't know how to support his/her/it's claims.

 

[CDNBear]

I have no problem crushing them, lol.

Here's a smilie for you then...

 

[B00Mer]

If you don't live here, work here (Or for here), pay taxes here, for more than 5 years, you aren't a citizen

What if you don't live here or work in Canada.. but still have property you pay taxes on..??

I mean, if I can't vote because I'm an ex-pat, then I should also be tax exempt.. NO?

It's amazing, they are attacking ex-patriots, when they should strip convicts of the right to vote as some states to in the USA.

 

[CDNBear]

he/she/it doesn't know how to support his/her/it's claims.

Or spell, or formulate proper sentence structure, or have a discussion, or concede, or, or, or...

His list of failures is long.

 

[SLM]

Here's a smilie for you then...

Ha ha, love it!

 

[CDNBear]

What if you don't live here or work in Canada.. but still have property you pay taxes on..??

You mean like the Americans that cottage on Lake Simcoe?

I mean, if I can't vote because I'm an ex-pat, then I should also be tax exempt.. NO?

Not if you own property here.

 

[B00Mer]

You mean like the Americans that cottage on Lake Simcoe?

No like a condo, or a house or even land 10 acres plus.

Not if you own property here.

I apply for status from Revenue Canada to be tax exempt while outside Canada.. however, I still have to pay taxes on land .. of course.

It's funny Harper has pushed this law.. I wonder how many of those ex-pats vote Liberal or Conservative. He must have the stats for him to commit to such a law.

 

[gerryh]

What if you don't live here or work in Canada.. but still have property you pay taxes on..??

I mean, if I can't vote because I'm an ex-pat, then I should also be tax exempt.. NO?

Is the property serviced by the local city/municipality? Supported by local infrastructure? Answer yes to either and of course you should be paying property taxes. Stupid question.

It's amazing, they are attacking ex-patriots, when they should strip convicts of the right to vote as some states to in the USA.

I would have no problem with that at all.

 

[CDNBear]

No like a condo, or a house or even land 10 acres plus.

Ya, like that's different from owning 20 acres with a cottage on Lake Simcoe. :roll:

I apply for status from Revenue Canada to be tax exempt while outside Canada.. however, I still have to pay taxes on land .. of course.

Of course, for the very reasons Gh points out.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

They CHOSE to live, work, and pay taxes in another country. As far as I am concerned, those that make that choice should lose not only their right to vote in Canada but also their citizenship.




As it would. The way our medical works it would be people like myself, taxpayers, that would end up paying for her upkeep, and you can suck my dick if you think I would be fine with paying for an americans medical conditions when they have never contributed to our social network.

Your problem is that " as far as I am concerned" is not relevant. There are laws and international laws also. One cannot be deprived of citizenship so cavalierly.

I have no problem crushing them, lol.

You crush me! You had better start getting up earlier in the morning.

If you want discussion rather than fawning over your mentor, then by all means try it. But you do nothing for your credibility following him.

 

[B00Mer]

Ya, like that's different from owning 20 acres with a cottage on Lake Simcoe. :roll:

On page 1 you referenced your question "like an American owning a cottage."

My reply was, no. a Condo, House.. we are talking about Canadian's owning land within Canada, not US Citizens, but because they are ex-pat losing the right to vote.. even if they continue to pay taxes within Canada.

You mean like the Americans that cottage on Lake Simcoe?

...and for the record.. "Americans" we are all Americans. Canadian or US Citizen.

 

[CDNBear]

Your problem is that " as far as I am concerned" is not relevant.

Unless it's as far as you're concerned. Gotchya.

There are laws and international laws also. One cannot be deprived of citizenship so cavalierly.

Please by all means, present the domestic and international laws governing citizenship in Canada.

If you want discussion rather than fawning over your mentor, then by all means try it.

You have openly expressed you are not here for discussion.

But you do nothing for your credibility following him.

Says the ideologue with less than zero credibility.

 

[gerryh]

Your problem is that " as far as I am concerned" is not relevant. There are laws and international laws also. One cannot be deprived of citizenship so cavalierly.

Canadian laws can be changed. When it comes to internal decisions, like who is and is not a citizen, it's non of the "international's" business.

 

[CDNBear]

On page 1 you referenced your question "like an American owning a cottage."

My reply was, no. a Condo, House.. we are talking about Canadian's owning land within Canada, not US Citizens, but because they are ex-pat losing the right to vote.. even if they continue to pay taxes within Canada.

Americans owning land in Canada, pay taxes. They do not have the right to vote.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Canadian laws can be changed. When it comes to internal decisions, like who is and is not a citizen, it's non of the "international's" business.

Canadian Law was changed in the Citizenship Act of Trudeau. In that, there were provisions that were illegal since they were retroactive. They have no been challenged.

The International Law cannot be changed and, if Canada tried to flout it, Canada would be subject to retaliation.

 

[gerryh]

Canadian Law was changed in the Citizenship Act of Trudeau. In that, there were provisions that were illegal since they were retroactive. They have no been challenged.

The International Law cannot be changed and, if Canada tried to flout it, Canada would be subject to retaliation.

Ok, what "international law" are you babbling about that would impact on Canadian citizenship. Please post a link to back this up.

 

[B00Mer]

Americans owning land in Canada, pay taxes. They do not have the right to vote.

US Citizens owning land in Canada and paying taxes, were not BORN in Canada?? You don't have the right to vote in the USA if you own land in Florida and Arizona for a winter get away as a Canadian citizen..

However, a US Citizen may vote as an ex-pat in the USA.