Harper government refuses to release secret report on pensions

mentalfloss

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I would imagine there is a point at which it is necessary to release a document to the public. Could it possibly be that that is not until after the final proof reading?

It depends if you want the government to use taxpayer's dollars to pump out promised research and then fail to deliver the report. I'm sure it's okay with all the conservatives though. They like spending money on "incomplete reports", just like they don't mind spending an extra $10 Billion on unproven jets. :roll:
 

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It depends if you want the government to use taxpayer's dollars to pump out promised research and then fail to deliver the report. I'm sure it's okay with all the conservatives though. They like spending money on "incomplete reports", just like they don't mind spending an extra $10 Billion on unproven jets. :roll:

Getting off topic somewhat, when I was a public employee I was involved in $millions in exercises, that never went anywhere, once the informatioin was gleaned except into a file for future reference if needed. That is just one of the "facts of life" when it comes to highway location (in my case) ...........before you determine the best location you have to rule out three or four or more others. How many pages of foolscalp end up in the garbage before an author publishes a book?
 

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Getting off topic somewhat, when I was a public employee I was involved in $millions in exercises, that never went anywhere, once the informatioin was gleaned except into a file for future reference if needed. That is just one of the "facts of life" when it comes to highway location (in my case) ...........before you determine the best location you have to rule out three or four or more others. How many pages of foolscalp end up in the garbage before an author publishes a book?

Granted. But if this "incomplete draft" is irrelevent, then the government should have no problem showing.

I'm sure petros would agree, unless it harms national security, the government should show their knickers to everyone.
 

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Granted. But if this "incomplete draft" is irrelevent, then the government should have no problem showing.

I'm sure petros would agree, unless it harms national security, the government should show their knickers to everyone.

Could be "political suicide".
 

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Could be "political suicide".

Of course it is.

The government doesn't want us to know that they don't actually have a plan with any merit on OAS.

It's the same thing with the jets and science. They ignore every single watchdog that disagrees with their agenda and they're as transparent as cardboard.
 

petros

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I can think of two reasons OAS took the hit it did and that info IS readily available. Follow the money....where does the funding for OAS come from?
 

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On the morning of one sixty fifth birthday you see things differently in fact you are
entitled yes Entitled to become a cranky old bastard. How do I know this? Last
June I woke up one morning and realized I was sixty five and a cranky old bastard.
I will happen to you too, and any attempt to fiddle my the pension system becomes
something or someone to vote against. I don't care how much I have or don't have.
I paid these bugg*rs tax dollars for decades and now the longer I live the mroe they
are going to pay.
Of course they will keep this all a secret to actually do something about clipping a
seniors pension is political suicide. Seniors Vote its that simple.
 

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The whole OAS issue has been bumping around for as long as i can remember, (so at least 17 years) and in this I have seen less and less information cropping up about it. So the idea that the government is refusing to release this document isn't that much of a shock to me.

I am actuailly surprised that this is getting so much page time with the news and the general public. It is almost seeming as if the public is looking to make all bad press about the Conservative party; not that i am complaining or rejoicing in either instance.

I find it quite entertaining and simply astounding that people are getting outraged at the slightest of "misteps" lately.

While I am not saying that the OAS isn't an issue and people shouldn't look in to it, my point is why didn't they kick up so much of a stink before now? Is it simply because NOW those people who are kicking up a stink are well in to their 40's or 50's and looking at the next 10-20 years of impact the decisions pertaining to budget this government will make?

Honestly, I think a third party should investigate the OAS issue and bring THEIR findings to light, and see if there really is an issue with the OAS system, OR if there is a reason for the government to have kept the report quiet (like potentially having no money left in their smelting pot and fear that they are going in there next?)

Granted it's not like this is likely to happen any time soon, i mean seriously who has that kind of money kicking around.

Other then the government (apparently)


How many pages of foolscalp end up in the garbage before an author publishes a book?

Being an Author i think i am qualified to answer this question.

Thus Far to date, I have a 40 gallon Rubber maid tote that i can FILL with what I have KEPT for notes and the like, and AT LEAST 5 times that has been (RECYCLED) over the last five months.

Thus your argument is valid

On the morning of one sixty fifth birthday you see things differently in fact you are
entitled yes Entitled to become a cranky old bastard. How do I know this? Last
June I woke up one morning and realized I was sixty five and a cranky old bastard.
I will happen to you too, and any attempt to fiddle my the pension system becomes
something or someone to vote against. I don't care how much I have or don't have.
I paid these bugg*rs tax dollars for decades and now the longer I live the mroe they
are going to pay.
Of course they will keep this all a secret to actually do something about clipping a
seniors pension is political suicide.

While this is just the general thoughts of all those receiving or going to be receiving OAS in the next 3-4 years, I am still confused as to why all the sudden shock and outrage. Lately every where you turn (At least from my observations) People are kicking up a fuss about some spit that has been knocked back and forth around the ball yard half a dozen times at least in the last say ten years.

I am not going to say (because it would be untrue) that those who are over 65 shouldn't be entitled to at least 70% of what they paid in taxes over the course of the remainder of their life. I honestly think they should get what they worked for. It is that simple and yet still that complex.

Of course i could save the government a f*** ton of money.

STOP
DOING
USELESS
MONEY
WASTING
REPORTS.

Of course the sky would be falling and pigs flying before that ever happens. At the end of the day, i don't know what to think about the whole "SECRET" stamp on an OAS related report, it's odd in my opinion unless Canada is Actually a lot worse off budget wise then even we know.


Seniors Vote its that simple.
And they should fear this as there are MORE Seniors in Canada today then yesterday.
 

mentalfloss

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I highly doubt if there is any plan in the world that is "fine tuned" eleven years before it takes effect.

That was my point.

The government says this report is what determined their OAS policy, but then they don't show the report.

Obviously, because the report is b.s. and they have no legitimacy for screwing future seniors.
 

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That was my point.

The government says this report is what determined their OAS policy, but then they don't show the report.

Obviously, because the report is b.s. and they have no legitimacy for screwing future seniors.

I'm taking issue with two points here...........I think "framework" may be a better term for the "report" than "b.s." I don't quite see how you figure future seniors are being screwed. I'd be more inclined to think they are being screwed if nothing was said and then in 2023 they are told out of the blue they have to wait two more years to get their pension. Actually on the contrary I think Harper is giving them a very generous amount of time to make adjustments. I get the distinct impression that you think we are "owed" a pension!
 

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I'm taking issue with two points here...........I think "framework" may be a better term for the "report" than "b.s." I don't quite see how you figure future seniors are being screwed. I'd be more inclined to think they are being screwed if nothing was said and then in 2023 they are told out of the blue they have to wait two more years to get their pension. Actually on the contrary I think Harper is giving them a very generous amount of time to make adjustments. I get the distinct impression that you think we are "owed" a pension!

It's not about owing something. It's about how much you care about others.

For my part, I will never even contribute to OAS, so it doesn't matter to me. However, there are people who've already begun contributing, that have no other options available to them. Let's not forget that OAS benefits low-income earners the most, so now they will have to work an extra two years. This can be extremely grueling for people who are in labour intensive positions.

Do we care for these people or do we let them suffer?
 

JLM

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It's not about owing something. It's about how much you care about others.

For my part, I will never even contribute to OAS, so it doesn't matter to me. However, there are people who've already begun contributing, that have no other options available to them. Let's not forget that OAS benefits low-income earners the most, so now they will have to work an extra two years. This can be extremely grueling for people who are in labour intensive positions.

Do we care for these people or do we let them suffer?

You can't let emotions have any place in a situation like this. Anyone who believes this pension is sustainable given the extended longevity today just isn't playing with a full deck, no matter how some pundit will have you believe. It's all very simple math. This pension was established at a time when life expectancy was another 2 or 3 years, not 25 or 30. It simply does not take rocket science to see that that will not work. I'm not quite sure how you figure the pension helps low income earners more. I know quite a few people getting OAS and we all get the same amount each month. For those in dire straits there is the supplement. Have I missed something in assuming that that will not change?
 

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You can't let emotions have any place in a situation like this. Anyone who believes this pension is sustainable given the extended longevity today just isn't playing with a full deck, no matter how some pundit will have you believe. It's all very simple math. This pension was established at a time when life expectancy was another 2 or 3 years, not 25 or 30. It simply does not take rocket science to see that that will not work.

JLM, there are assessments from credible watchdogs (yes, one of the few parts of government you actually endorse) that confirm that OAS is sustainable.

Have you been following this story?

Old Age Security affordable without changes, watchdog says - Politics - CBC News

He basically says there is no need to raise the age from 65 to 67.
 

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It's a conspiracy theory! Deliberatly hiding readily available information.