How about them Canucks!

Kreskin

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One thing Canucks fans have to resign themselves to is that Daniel is not coming back until at least the end of the LA Kings series. The Canucks are two games away from being knocked out in the first round. If Vinault has any magic line combinations, now is the time to bring them out.
You know, I think Vigneault has to take some lumps for the the way things have unfolded the last couple of months. The team appears to be too predictable and now easily defended. Such as the powerplay. That first shorthanded goal last game an example. With a team as aggressive as LA on the penalty kill there has to be open space and a strategy to utilize it. The same old same old has run its course.

Having said that, Vigneault has been changing lines like he does socks (or cars from Preston Chev). Does anyone have chemistry with line mates any more? The only top line combo that worked in the last month was Sedin-Burrows-Lapierre, but that lasted a game or two and off AV went to apply more line changes.
 

talloola

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You know, I think Vigneault has to take some lumps for the the way things have unfolded the last couple of months. The team appears to be too predictable and now easily defended. Such as the powerplay. That first shorthanded goal last game an example. With a team as aggressive as LA on the penalty kill there has to be open space and a strategy to utilize it. The same old same old has run its course.

Having said that, Vigneault has been changing lines like he does socks (or cars from Preston Chev). Does anyone have chemistry with line mates any more? The only top line combo that worked in the last month was Sedin-Burrows-Lapierre, but that lasted a game or two and off AV went to apply more line changes.

the power play is the responsibility of newell brown, he was hired to take place of ryan walter, who
was doing the same, it was great for a while, but faded away some time ago, it seems to me, that is
is he who is under the fire right now for that aspect of the game.

if canucks get beaten out in this round, I hope they don't fire vineault, as I would like to see him
given the respect they give trotz in nashville, and ruff in buffalo, he has done wonders with this team for a long time, and I would like him to continue in vancouver, I like his approach, I like his fairness, I
like his personaltiy and steady as she goes attitude, he is also very tough, nothing wishy washy about
him at all, and he controls his emotions on the bench very well, and the excellent play of the players
over the past few years, is the result of his coaching.

these players are seasoned professionals, and it doesn't matter if he keeps them on the same line all the
time, some of the time, or changes often, they all know each well enough to do what has to be done,
irrespective of what line they are one, and if he didn't change them, he would be curcified for that,
so he has to do what he thinks best.

raymond, (and I like him lots) has been given so much opportunity to improve, and it doesn't matter
where he is played, he just doesn't raise his game enough, he had a couple of great games a month
or so ago, but fell back again.

Great skater, but not accomplishing enough, i'm always urging him on, hoping for more, as I see the
wonderful skating. He tried to play him with henrik and burrows, should have worked, I thought that
would be a good move, but he didn't give that line any spark at all, but he is needed somewhere in
the lineup for his skating and checking.

Nope, 'the players' have to take all of the responsibility, it is their business to get it done, he
has prepared them well, he can't go on the ice and do it for them, they are big grown men, with all
of the training and knowledge, just do it, rise to the occasion.

We can't blame their mistakes on vineault, that is too easy, and very typical of fans, and I can see
it if they lose out, FIRE THE COACH, and what he has done to allow them to play their best will be
immediately forgotton, and the players will be let off the hook.

Barry Trotz has been with nashville, and Lindy Ruff has been with buffallo for years and years, trotz
was their first coach, and he is still there, they finally have a team that could go far in the
playoffs, but might not, he won't be fired if they don't, and lindy ruff won't be fired, and he didn't
even make the playoffs this year.

I also really like bowness as his assistant, good coach, very seasoned, very knowledgeable.



The revolving door for coaches, in my mind, is 'mostly' just a move to satisfy the masses, but the
players are the ones who created the situated where they didn't win, or do as well as they wanted.

General Managers, in my opinion are more responsible, right after the players, not the coach.

This team threw away their first game because of their over excited and out of
wack approach, they took so many stupid penalties, and tried intimidating the
kings, also I think they underestimated just how pumped up the kings were, as
they knew what the canucks could do to them, so they rose up to the occasion,
and the canucks were not prepared for that, they figured they could come out and
bury them in the first game, not so, so, canucks spotted them a game, gave it to
them, what a waste, no coach would ever have suggested any such attitude, or
they wouldn't have encouraged them to play like that at any team meeting or
practice, it was the stupidity of the players, and they know it.
 
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#juan

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The Canucks power play, where they cycle the puck endlessly around the outside and hope something good happens. Daniel was their main goal scorer but he is gone now. The team has to move their game up a few notches to make up for Daniel but I haven't yet seen that happen. Raymond should be put into Daniel's spot and left there. It doesn't help to change the line every shift.
 

Kreskin

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Tallola, everything can't be someone else's fault when the head coach is responsible for all of it. That's why he gets paid the big bucks, to be responsible for the whole ship.

Injury and not enough talent are the only excuses a head coach has. They've been one of the most injury-free teams all year. Talent?
 

Kreskin

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Fire a coach who has led them to TWO President's Trophies!!!!!!! Absolutely preposterous!
I'm not saying fire him, I'm saying lets put the blame on ineptitude where the responsiblity for it is.

Of course if he wins this one in 6 then he can take a bow too.
 

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WHY can't a team lose a game without it being someone's fault? Both teams can play excellently, but only one can win! Time for folks to grow up! :smile:
 

Kreskin

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WHY can't a team lose a game without it being someone's fault? Both teams can play excellently, but only one can win! Time for folks to grow up! :smile:
This is pro sports, not high school basketball or the Toronto Maple Leafs.
 

Kreskin

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WHY can't a team lose a game without it being someone's fault? Both teams can play excellently, but only one can win! Time for folks to grow up! :smile:
Both teams played excellently?? Is that your final answer? :)
 

#juan

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This is pro sports, not high school basketball or the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I have to go along with Kreskin. These guys have a payroll in the tens of millions. While going to the odd game doesn't give me any special privileges, it does give me the right to have an opinion....like anybody else in B.C.. My opinion changes, but right now I think the coaches are blowing it ....and they've been blowing it since Daniel got his bell rung. In order to win a game in this series, the Canucks need to put together at least one scoring line...preferrably two. I assume the lines are set for tonight's game and we'll see what happens.

Go Canucks.....or get ready for golf.....:roll:
 

JLM

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I have to go along with Kreskin. These guys have a payroll in the tens of millions. While going to the odd game doesn't give me any special privileges, it does give me the right to have an opinion....like anybody else in B.C.. My opinion changes, but right now I think the coaches are blowing it ....and they've been blowing it since Daniel got his bell rung. In order to win a game in this series, the Canucks need to put together at least one scoring line...preferrably two. I assume the lines are set for tonight's game and we'll see what happens.

Go Canucks.....or get ready for golf.....:roll:

I don't think ridiculously high payrolls justify anything. Maybe if that situation was corrected, other aspects might correct themselves. :smile:
 

gerryh

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One thing Canucks fans have to resign themselves to is that Daniel is not coming back until at least the end of the LA Kings series. The Canucks are two games away from being knocked out in the first round. If Vinault has any magic line combinations, now is the time to bring them out.


Have always said that the sedin sisters are basically one player. One without the other is useless.
 

JLM

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Them Penguins appear to be in deep do do! :lol:

Have always said that the sedin sisters are basically one player. One without the other is useless.

Actually Gerry, there is some truth to what you say, BUT by the same token, combined they are as valuable as three players! :smile:
 

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I'm expecting the Canucks to join the Penguins on the golf course shortly. The only bad thing is that the Leafs and Habs have had an extra week to get practiced up.
 

talloola

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Tallola, everything can't be someone else's fault when the head coach is responsible for all of it. That's why he gets paid the big bucks, to be responsible for the whole ship.

Injury and not enough talent are the only excuses a head coach has. They've been one of the most injury-free teams all year. Talent?

vineault has his responsibility, he shouldn't be fired for the power play, they should get another
power play coach, or he should do it, or bowness, or a new guy, they can't do everything they need
the third guy.
this newell brown was suppose to be the 'second' coming, according to the so called experts, but?
he is suppose to be the power play geruu, but of course we can't blame him, of course not. !!!!!
it is 'his' responsibility.

of course he is the head of the ship, and a good one. trotz and ruff are the heads of their ship,
and they are still there after years and years, i am just saying, it is getting stale, that old
first move, FIRE THE COACH, they have to look a bit deeper than that, have to be more intelligent
than that, and don't just give in to the pressure of the fans, that is the worst thing to do.
I hope gillis is stronger than that, but one never knows.

others who also have responsibility, shouldn't be dumping all of it on the coach, thats too easy.

if he did get fired, montreal would snap him up in five minutes, they are probably just waiting
to see what happens in vancouver before they make a selection.

then what does vancouver do, bring up MacTavish, and make everyone think that is the answer, it
isn't, just a bandaid fix.

its the players, and the power play, that power play, not working causes so much trickle down
effect throughout the whole game, 'just fix it'.

the fans are the worst help of all, sit on their hands, play with their cell phones, texting
thru the game, why don't they try to be real fans, instead of doing their corporate crap
while a hockey game is on, I detest the vancouver fans for that quiet building, why don't
they help when the going is tough, nope, just sit there with long faces, pouting, and blaming
the team for their own saddness, poor retarded babies.
it won't be long before babies are born with their hands sticking out, thumbs cocked, waiting for someone to
put a cell phone in them.

the team had better fans when canucks had bad teams.
 

JLM

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the fans are the worst help of all, sit on their hands, play with their cell phones, texting
thru the game, why don't they try to be real fans, instead of doing their corporate crap
while a hockey game is on, I detest the vancouver fans for that quiet building, why don't
they help when the going is tough, nope, just sit there with long faces, pouting, and blaming
the team for their own saddness, poor retarded babies.
it won't be long before babies are born with their hands sticking out, thumbs cocked, waiting for someone to
put a cell phone in them.

the team had better fans when canucks had bad teams.

Yep, them cell phones are getting to be a bloody sickness! Same thing at bowling, half of them are fiddling with their various Pods. :lol:

Jann Arden sang long ago, as far as this series is concerned.

Yeah, I think her credibility took a little dive awhile back! :lol: