Death knell for AGW

petros

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There has been some independant review but we'll just hear goofy **** like "they were paid off by big oil" even though they were cut a cheque from the IPCC.

4 out of 23 reviewers agree with this statement published in Capter 9 of AR 4 that "it is very highly likely that greenhouse gas forcing has been the dominant cause of the observed global warming over the last 50 years".

4 out of 23? WTF is that crap?
 

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There has been some independant review but we'll just hear goofy **** like "they were paid off by big oil" even though they were cut a cheque from the IPCC.

Of course that will be the mantra whenever any competing form of review or science pops up... It's all too predictable

4 out of 23 reviewers agree with this statement published in Capter 9 of AR 4 that "it is very highly likely that greenhouse gas forcing has been the dominant cause of the observed global warming over the last 50 years".

Sounds hauntingly like a policy more than an observation.

4 out of 23? WTF is that crap?

The IPCC needs to contact the same ad firm that came out with the 'science' that supported 4 out of 5 dentists supported chewing Trident gum
 

petros

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observed global warming....

There is a little saying at the heart of science that says "Correlation does not equal causation".

When did that get tossed?

Going by IPCC review style of correlation equalling causation, it is safe to declare that "if you quit high school you'll get pregnant".

Any luck with finding GE's sweetheart deal boys?
 

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Why aren't global warming meetings held in Saskatoon in January? Doesn't look good on TV?


Good question.

One might also wonder why they don't choose an exotic location like Churchill Mb - they could observe the climate and the polar bears simultaneously.

Maybe this has something to do with peer review... I don't think it works when the temps fall below zero
 

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Good question.

One might also wonder why they don't choose an exotic location like Churchill Mb - they could observe the climate and the polar bears simultaneously.

Maybe this has something to do with peer review... I don't think it works when the temps fall below zero
It must be a real bitch trying to explain why it's dark and cold all winter in the polar regions?
 

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It must be a real bitch trying to explain why it's dark and cold all winter in the polar regions?


I forgot all about the 6 months of darkness, and really, that goes a long way in explaining why the IPCC can't hold their conferences there... The IPCC folks being purists would never ever consider using fossil fuels to generate electricity and without light, they can observe AGW.
 

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77% of the energy used by their hotel would be used for heating and hot water to wash up and shower. That would kill 300-400 blind polar bears in one fell swoop.


PS did you know IPCC cites WWF several times in AR 4. When did WWF become a scientific peer reviewed body?

Fourth Assessment Report

World Wildlife Fund citations

Allianz and World Wildlife Fund, 2006: Climate change and the financial sector: an agenda for action, 59 pp. [Accessed 03.05.07: WWF UK - Conservation, climate change, sustainability filelibrary/pdf/allianz_rep_0605.pdf]
Austin, G., A. Williams, G. Morris, R. Spalding-Feche, and R. Worthington, 2003: Employment potential of renewable energy in South Africa. Earthlife Africa, Johannesburg and World Wildlife Fund (WWF), Denmark, November, 104 pp.
Baker, T., 2005: Vulnerability Assessment of the North-East Atlantic Shelf Marine Ecoregion to Climate Change, Workshop Project Report, WWF, Godalming, Surrey, 79 pp.
Coleman, T., O. Hoegh-Guldberg, D. Karoly, I. Lowe, T. McMichael, C.D. Mitchell, G.I. Pearman, P. Scaife and J. Reynolds, 2004: Climate Change: Solutions for Australia. Australian Climate Group, 35 pp. Canadian Content CDN.wwf.org.au/ publications/acg_solutions.pdf
Dlugolecki, A. and S. Lafeld, 2005: Climate change – agenda for action: the financial sector’s perspective. Allianz Group and WWF, Munich [may be the same document as "Allianz" above, except that one is dated 2006 and the other 2005]
Fritsche, U.R., K. Hünecke, A. Hermann, F. Schulze, and K. Wiegmann, 2006: Sustainability standards for bioenergy. Öko-Institut e.V., Darmstadt, WWF Germany, Frankfurt am Main, November
Giannakopoulos, C., M. Bindi, M. Moriondo, P. LeSager and T. Tin, 2005: Climate Change Impacts in the Mediterranean Resulting from a 2oC Global Temperature Rise. WWF report, Gland Switzerland. Accessed 01.10.2006 at http://assets.panda.org/downloads/medreportfinal8july05.pdf.
Hansen, L.J., J.L. Biringer and J.R. Hoffmann, 2003: Buying Time: A User’s Manual for Building Resistance and Resilience to Climate Change in Natural Systems. WWF Climate Change Program, Berlin, 246 pp.
WWF - Oops! we can't find the page you are looking for...wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/our_solutions/business_industry/climate_savers/ index.cfm
Lechtenbohmer, S., V. Grimm, D. Mitze, S. Thomas, M. Wissner, 2005: Target 2020: Policies and measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the EU. WWF European Policy Office, Wuppertal
Malcolm, J.R., C. Liu, L. Miller, T. Allnut and L. Hansen, Eds., 2002a: Habitats at Risk: Global Warming and Species Loss in Globally Significant Terrestrial Ecosystems. WWF World Wide Fund for Nature, Gland, 40 pp.
Rowell, A. and P.F. Moore, 2000: Global Review of Forest Fires. WWF/IUCN, Gland, Switzerland, 66 pp. http://www.iucn.org/themes/fcp/publications /files/global_review_forest_fires.pdf
WWF, 2004: Deforestation threatens the cradle of reef diversity. World Wide Fund for Nature, 2 December 2004. Welcome to WWF's global network
WWF, 2004: Living Planet Report 2004. WWF- World Wide Fund for Nature (formerly World Wildlife Fund), Gland, Switzerland, 44 pp.
Zarsky, L. and K. Gallagher, 2003: Searching for the Holy Grail? Making FDI Work for Sustainable Development. Analytical Paper, World Wildlife Fund (WWF), Switzerland
This is the famously inaccurate citation about the Himalayan glaciers:
WWF (World Wildlife Fund), 2005: An overview of glaciers, glacier retreat, and subsequent impacts in Nepal, India and China. World Wildlife Fund, Nepal Programme, 79 pp.
Greenpeace citations

Aringhoff, R., C. Aubrey, G. Brakmann, and S. Teske, 2003: Solar thermal power 2020, Greenpeace International/European Solar Thermal Power Industry Association, Netherlands
ESTIA, 2004: Exploiting the heat from the sun to combat climate change. European Solar Thermal Industry Association and Greenpeace, Solar Thermal Power 2020, UK
Greenpeace, 2004: Greenpeace Argentina | Greenpeace Argentina accessed 05/06/07
Greenpeace, 2006: Solar generation. K. McDonald (ed.), Greenpeace International, Amsterdam
GWEC, 2006: Global wind energy outlook. Global Wind Energy Council, Bruxelles and Greenpeace, Amsterdam, September, 56 pp., accessed 05/06/07
Hoegh-Guldberg, O., H. Hoegh-Guldberg, H. Cesar and A. Timmerman, 2000: Pacific in peril: biological, economic and social impacts of climate change on Pacific coral reefs. Greenpeace, 72 pp.
Lazarus, M., L. Greber, J. Hall, C. Bartels, S. Bernow, E. Hansen, P. Raskin, and D. Von Hippel, 1993: Towards a fossil free energy future: the next energy transition. Stockholm Environment Institute, Boston Center, Boston. Greenpeace International, Amsterdam.
Wind Force 12, 2005: Global Wind Energy Council and Greenpeace, Global Wind Energy Council - GWEC: GWEC publications, accessed 03/07/07
Other questionable citations

Citing a magazine:
Bowen, N., 2002: Canary in a coalmine. Climbing News, 208, 90-97, 138-139.
Citing a student's dissertation:
Schwörer, D.A., 1997: Bergführer und Klimaänderung: eine Untersuchung im Berninagebiet über mögliche Auswirkungen einer Klimaänderung auf den Bergführerberuf (Mountain guides and climate change: an inquiry into possible effects of climatic change on the mountain guide trade in the Bernina region, Switzerland). Diplomarbeit der philosophisch-naturwissenschaftlichen Fakultät der Universität Bern.
Citing other Masters students:
Shibru, M., 2001: Pastoralism and cattle marketing: a case study of the Borana of southern Ethiopia, Unpublished Masters Thesis, Egerton University.
Wahab, H.M., 2005: The impact of geographical information system on environmental development, unpublished MSc Thesis, Faculty of Agriculture, Al-Azhar University, Cairo, 148 pp.
Gray, K.N., 1999: The impacts of drought on Yakima Valley irrigated agriculture and Seattle municipal and industrial water supply. Masters Thesis, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, 102 pp.
Bohm, M.C., 2006: Capture-ready power plants - Options, technologies and economics, MSc Thesis, MIT. , accessed 05/06/07.
Duncan, A., 2005: Solar building developments. Master Applied Science thesis, Massey University Library, Palmerston North, New Zealand.
Sekar, R.S., 2005: Carbon dioxide capture from coal-fired power plants: a real options analysis. MSc Thesis, MIT. accessed 02/07/07.
Banda, A., 2002: Electricity production from sugar industries in Africa: A case study of South Africa. M.Sc thesis, University of Cape Town, South Africa.
Kaartinen, T., 2004: Sustainable disposal of residual fractions of MSW to future landfills. M.S. Thesis, Technical University of Helsinki, Espoo, Finland. In Finnish.
Citing a boot and clothing de-contamination guide for Antarctic tour operators:
IAATO, 2005: Update on boot and clothing decontamination guidelines and the introduction and detection of diseases in Antarctic wildlife: IAATO’s perspective. Paper submitted by the International Association of Antarctica Tour Operators (IAATO) to the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting (ATCM) XXVIII. IAATO, 10 pp. Guidelines and Resources - IAATO.
Third Assessment report

World Wildlife Fund citations

Malcolm, J.R. and A. Markham, 2000: Global Warming and Terrestrial Biodiversity Decline. World Wildlife Fund, Gland, Switzerland, 34 pp
Arntzen, J. and S. Ringrose, 1996: Changes in rangelands. In: Climate Change and Southern Africa: An Exploration of Some Potential Impacts and Implications in the SADC Region [Hulme, M. (ed.)]. Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom and World Wildlife Fund International
McNeely, J., K. Miller, W. Reid, and T. Werner, 1990: Conserving the World's Biological Diversity. World Resources Institute, IUCN, Conservation International, World Wildlife Fund, Gland, Switzerland, and World Bank, Washington, DC, USA, 193 pp.
Rogers, D., 1996: Changes in disease vectors. In: Climate Change and Southern Africa: An Exploration of Some Potential Impacts and Implications in the SADC Region [Hulme, M. (ed.)]. Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom, and World Wildlife Fund International, Gland, Switzerland.
EEPSEA, 2000: The Indonesian Fires and Haze of 1997: The Economic Toll and the World Wide Fund for Nature. Economy and Environment Program for SE Asia, World Wildlife Fund, International Development Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada, 9 pp. Available via e-mail at info@idrc.ca.
Barber, C.V. and J. Schweithelm, 2000: Trial by Fire: Forest Fire and Forestry Policy in Indonesia's Era of Crisis and Reform. World Resource Institute, Forest Frontiers, World Wide Fund for Nature(WWF)-Indonesia, Telapak Indonesia Foundation, 448 pp.
Whetton, P.H., 1999: Comment on the 1999 Climate Change Scenarios for Australia. United Kingdom Climatic Research Unit and World Wildlife Fund, Climate Impact Team, CSIRO Atmospheric Research, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia, 3
Freese, C.H., 2000: The Consumptive Use of Wild Species in the Arctic: Challenges and Opportunities for Ecological Sustainability. Report submitted to World Wildlife Fund, Arctic Programme, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, 145 pp.
Helmer, W.P., P. Vellinga, G. Litjens, H. Goosen, E. Ruijgrok, and W. Overmars, 1996: Growing with the Sea—Creating a Resilient Coastline. World Wildlife Fund for Nature, Zeist, The Netherlands, 39 pp.
IUCN, WWF and UNEP, 1980: World Conservation Strategy. International Union for the Conservation of Nature, Geneva and UNEP, Nairobi.
WWF (World Wildlife Fund), 1996: Sustainable Energy Technology in the South. A Report to WWF by Institute of Environmental Studies, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, and Tata Energy Research Institute, New Delhi, India.
Bernow, S., K. Cory, W. Dougherty, M. Duckworth, S. Kartha, and M. Ruth, 1999: America’s Global Warming Solutions. Worldwildlife Fund, Washington, DC.
Greenpeace citations

Radford, D., R. Blong, A.M. d'Aubert, I. Kuhnel, and P. Nunn, 1996: Occurence of Tropical Cyclones in the Southwest Pacific Region 1920-1994. Greenpeace International, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, 35 pp.
Gibson, M.A. and S.A. Schullinger, 1998: Answers from the Ice Edge: The Consequences of Climate Change on Life in the Bering and Chukchi Seas. Greenpeace Arctic Network, Anchorage, AK, USA, pp. 32.
Hoegh-Guldberg, O., 1999: Climate Change, Coral Bleaching and the Future of the World's Coral Reefs. Greenpeace International, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, 27 pp.
Greenpeace, 1999: Wind Force 10: a blueprint to achieve 10% of the world’s electricity from wind power by 2020. Greenpeace and European Wind Energy Association Report, Greenpeace, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

Coca-Cola Canada 2011 Arctic Home commercial - YouTube

Where does a Coke can originate?

Here in a bauxite mine.

 

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It's crap to ask who is peer reviewing the IPCC data and hypotheses? You should have no problems showing who but apparently you can't. Why can't you? There isn't any peer review on IPCC bull****??
Wrong. I have a list of climate experts but you refuse to accept any research from them that refutes your ignorant opinion. Like I said, there's no point in bothering when you ignore whatever evidence anyone posts anyway.
You flat-earthers probably think gravity is BS and you won't accept anything that says different.
 

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They review "literature". Read their own words.


Post your list!

Who accredited the WWF and why is non-peer reviewed, biased material cited?
 

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Here`s another one:


Myles Allen, head of the Climate Dynamics group at University of Oxford's Atmospheric, Oceanic and Planetary Physics Department. Lead author, IPCC Third Assessment Report. Review editor, Fourth Assessment Report.
Richard Alley (1957- ), American, Earth's cryosphere and global climate change.
Kevin Anderson, is the Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and is an adviser to the British Government on climate change.
Svante Arrhenius (1859–1927), Swedish, greenhouse effect.
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Sallie Baliunas, American, astrophysicist, solar variation.
Robert Balling, American, former director of the Office of Climatology and is a professor of geography at Arizona State University, climatology, global climate change, and geographic information systems.
Édouard Bard, French climate scientist, specialized in past climate reconstruction.
Richard A. Betts, Head of the Climate Impacts strategic area at the Met Office Hadley Centre.
Vilhelm Bjerknes (1862–1951), Norwegian, forecasting, numerical models.
Raymond S. Bradley, American, historical temperatures, paleoclimatology, and climate variability.
Keith Briffa (1952- ), United Kingdom, dendrochronology, temperature history.
Wallace Smith Broecker (1931- ), American, Pleistocene geochronology, radiocarbon dating and chemical oceanography.


Ken Caldeira, American, geoengineering, ocean acidification, atmospheric chemistry.
Guy Stewart Callendar, English,(February 1898 - October 1964), steam engineer and inventor who proposed what eventually became known as the Callendar effect, the theory that linked rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere to global temperature.
Mark Cane, American, modeling and prediction of the El Niño-Southern Oscillation.
John Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. Best known (with Dr. Roy Spencer) for developing the first version of the satellite temperature record.
William Connolley, British software engineer, writer, and blogger on climatology. Until December 2007 he was Senior Scientific Officer in the Physical Sciences Division in the Antarctic Climate and the Earth System project at the British Antarctic Survey, where he worked as a climate modeller.
Paul J. Crutzen (1933- ), Dutch, stratospheric and tropospheric chemistry, and their role in the biogeochemical cycles and climate.


Kerry Emanuel (1955- ), American, atmospheric dynamics specializing in hurricanes.
Matthew England (1966-), Australian, physical oceanographer and climate dynamicist.


Joe Farman, British, ozone hole above Antarctica
Joseph Fourier (1768–1830), French, greenhouse effect.
Inez Fung American, climate modeling, biogeochemical cycles, and climate change.


Peter Gleick (1956- ), American, hydroclimatologist, hydrologic impacts of climate change, snowfall/snowmelt responses, water adaptation strategies, consequences of sea-level rise.
Jonathan M. Gregory


Joanna Haigh, British, solar variability
James E. Hansen (1941- ), American, planetary atmospheres, remote sensing, numerical models, and global warming.
Ann Henderson-Sellers (1952- ), Australian, climate change risk evaluation.
John T. Houghton (1931- ), British, atmospheric physics, remote sensing.


Phil Jones (1952- ), British, instrumental climate change, palaeoclimatology, detection of climate change.
Jean Jouzel, French, glaciologist and climatologist specializing in major climatic shifts


Thomas R. Karl (1951- ), American, climate extremes and variability.
Charles David Keeling (1928–2005), American, atmospheric carbon dioxide measurements, Keeling Curve.


Kurt Lambeck, Australian, cryosphere-hydrosphere-lithosphere interactions, and sea level rise and its impact on human populations.
Richard Lindzen (1940- ), American, dynamic meteorology, especially planetary waves.
Edward Norton Lorenz (1917–2008), American, discovery of the strange attractor notion and coined the term butterfly effect.
James Lovelock (1919- ), British, Gaia hypothesis and biotic feedbacks.


Syukuro Manabe (1931- ), Japanese, pioneered the use of computers to simulate global climate change and natural climate variations.
Gordon Manley (1902–1980), English, Central England temperature (CET) series.
Michael E. Mann (1965- ), American, paleoclimate reconstructions.
Patrick Michaels (1950- ), American climatologist.
Gordon McBean, Canadian, boundary layer research, hydrometeorology and environmental impact research, and weather forecasting.
Milutin Milanković (1879–1958), Serbian, Milankovitch cycles.
John F. B. Mitchell, British, climate modelling and detection and attribution of climate change
Mario J. Molina (1943- ), Mexican, atmospheric chemistry and ozone depletion.


Abraham H Oort


David E. Parker, British, surface temperature trend.
William Richard Peltier (1943- ), Canadian, global geodynamic modeling and ice sheet reconstructions; atmospheric and oceanic waves and turbulence.
Roger A. Pielke, Sr. (1946-), American, climate change, environmental vulnerability, numerical modeling, and atmospheric dynamics.
Raymond Pierrehumbert, idealized climate modeling, Faint young sun paradox.
Vicky Pope, British, Head of the Climate Prediction Programme at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research.


Stefan Rahmstorf (1960- ), German, the role of ocean currents in climate change.
Veerabhadran Ramanathan, Indian, general circulation models, atmospheric chemistry, and radiative transfer.
Roger Revelle (1909–1991), American, global warming and chemical oceanography.
William Ruddiman, American, palaeoclimatologist, Early Anthropogenic Hypothesis


Hans Joachim Schellnhuber (1950 - ), German climatologist, was an author for the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Gavin A. Schmidt (Gavin A. Schmidt is a climatologist and climate modeler at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS)
Stephen H. Schneider (1945–2010), American, Professor of Environmental Biology and Global Change at Stanford University.
Stephen E. Schwartz (1941 - ), American, chemistry of air pollutants, radiative forcing of aerosols on climate.
Richard C. J. Somerville (1941 - ), American, theoretical meteorology and atmospheric physics.
Stocker, Thomas, Swiss, climate dynamics and paleoclimate modeling and reconstruction.
Susan Solomon (1956 - ), American, chlorofluorocarbons and ozone depletion.
J. Curt Stager (1956-), American, paleoclimatology, authur of Deep Future: The Next 100,000 Years of Life on Earth.
Peter A. Stott, British, climate scientist.
Hans E. Suess (1909–1993), Austrian, radiocarbon dating, Suess effect.


Simon Tett, British, detection and attribution of climate change, model initialization, and validation.
Peter Thejll (1956- )Danish, Northern Hemisphere land air temperature, solar variation and greenhouse effect.
Lonnie Thompson (1948- ), American, paleoclimatology, ice cores.
Kevin E. Trenberth, decadal variability, El Niño-Southern Oscillation.


David Vaughan - ice sheets, British Antarctic Survey.
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John Michael Wallace, North Atlantic oscillation, Arctic oscillation, El Niño-Southern Oscillation.
Andrew Watson (1952-), British, marine and atmospheric sciences.
Andrew J. Weaver, Canadian, climate modeling and analysis.[30]
Carl Wunsch (1941- ), Physical oceanography and ocean acoustic tomography.

WWF? wow If you can't tell the diff between a climate scientist and a group like the WWF then you aren't too bright.

climate peer reviews - Google Scholar

Your turn to post something other than your pathetic opinion.