An open letter to those who elected Rob Ford

CDNBear

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It's not just that 'cute graph'. The council report confirms the same findings.
Ya, the fact that I've seen you come to a predetermined conclusion in the past as well, aside. Both Pembina and T.O.'s car hating Council, ignore certain things, as I already pointed out.

Also, LRT has been very successful in many other countries and our own.
Show me some legitimate comparisons.

Vancouver's SkyTrain did a commendable job getting people around during the 2010 Winter olympics.
Did you just compare an el to a surface system?

Now I know you're grasping at straws to support your ideological bent.
 
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mentalfloss

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What would be needed to support a subway?

Ridership forecast models are useful for relatively short time horizons, but beyond about 25 years, their assumptions and inputs are too dependent on uncertainties. Beyond that, the City should focus on where it wants development to happen and how it can change travel behaviour to align with its long-term transit building plans.

In the end, City Planning staff concluded that in the absence of reliable long-term ridership forecasts, support for a subway at this juncture would be based on a long-term city-building vision.

Building the subway would have to be aligned with other city-building initiatives:
- Zoning should be in place to support the forecast development within walking distance of the subway stations – and more, if it can be supported as good planning;
- The zoning should permit or even require development that consists of a mix of uses to support two-way ridership;
- The use of Development Permits to facilitate development aligned with transit infrastructure;
- Requiring high density development at subway stations when the stations are built;
- Significant growth in employment in the Sheppard corridor, supported by a focussed strategy to bring jobs to the North York and Scarborough Centres and Consumers Road Business Park, including incentives for private developers and a City policy to put its own facilities and jobs in the Corridor.


And, of course, a sustainable funding plan would also need to be in place.

Unless these conditions can be met, a subway is not warranted, and the LRT would be a viable option to meet transit needs in the corridor over the next 20 – 30 years, and may be sufficient beyond that. City staff is concerned, however, that the LRT would under-perform as a City-building option if it doesn't link to the Scarborough Centre.

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/cc/bgrd/backgroundfile-45908.pdf
 

CDNBear

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Did you miss the "car hating city Council" comment.

There's a long history of City Council's hate for cars.

I have no doubt that it influences all their planning. From permits, to parking, to thoroughfares.
 

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Well if you're serious about overthrowing council because they're car-hating freaks, then you better start a rally.
 

CDNBear

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Well if you're serious about overthrowing council because they're car-hating freaks, then you better start a rally.
LOL.

What happened to all the whining you were doing about listening to the people, Fuzzy?

Or does that only apply when the angst is directed at Harper or Ford?
 

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LOL.

What happened to all the whining you were doing about listening to the people, Fuzzy?

Or does that only apply when the angst is directed at Harper or Ford?

It's not as simple as "listening to people". There is new information that comes out that people are not privy to and if the masses are not aware of these details (the fault of the media), they cannot make the most rational decision for what they want. That's partly why we have a representative democracy instead of a direct one.

According to an interview on Toronto talk show 640AM Rob Ford - Mayor of Toronto Mayor Rob Ford said that as far as he is concerned it is subways and this is the day after the final vote in city council

640 has been a pretty well oiled propaganda machine for him. 1010 is compromised as well.

Swaths of driving commuters are fed his agenda which is partly what led to his election success.
 

CDNBear

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It's not as simple as "listening to people". There is new information that comes out that people are not privy to and if the masses are not aware of these details (the fault of the media), they cannot make the most rational decision for what they want. That's partly why we have a representative democracy instead of a direct one.
I'll remember that, the next time you start whining.

Back to the topic though. The people that live in T.O., are well aware of what is being tossed around. They live it day to day.

66%, say they don't want more surface traffic. For extremely obvious reasons.

If 66% said they supported something you do, you and I know full well, you'd be swinging that around like a dead cat.

The only people pushing for LRT are anticar City Councilors, greenie shills, and partisan hacks.

Swaths of driving commuters are fed his agenda which is partly what led to his election success.


Swaths of driving commuters, are living the nightmare, T.O. Council want to make even more horrific.
 

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I think Marcus is Roysons' bumboy.


Sorry for going uh, off topic there. :lol:
 

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The only people pushing for LRT are anticar City Councilors, greenie shills, and partisan hacks.

And fiscal conservatives.

 

mentalfloss

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You support spending money on things that your ideology says are good.

That isn't being a fiscal conservative, that's being a hypocritical partisan hack.

I never said I was a fiscal conservative.

 

CDNBear

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I don't have to employ a "hidden status" in threads like you do.
If you don't understand what you're reading, Google can help with word definitions. Or you could just ask me to explain the words you find confusing.

Instead of babbling about my use of the invisibitch function. I employ so I can avoid silly claims, from lame ideologues.