Durban Climate Change Conference 2011

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I would if there was an energy infrastructure in place.

But with oil companies controlling our resource options, that doesn't exist yet.

You need infrastructure to buy a Volt? Isn't that what a road is for?

You need infrastructure to install solar panels?

Try again!

I'm glad you could finally concede you were wrong.


I am not sure how you interpeted his response as a concession of being wrong.

You can't wiggle out that easily.
 

mentalfloss

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Yup... The patented MO in action again.

I wonder how much CO2 was wasted on bandwith relative to your non-answer?

As much as you deserved.

Which is to say, not much.

You need infrastructure to buy a Volt? Isn't that what a road is for?

With the mileage I put on driving to work, yes, I would need charge stations set up. That's part of infrastructure.

You need infrastructure to install solar panels?

You need an energy compliant grid, yes.
 
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captain morgan

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As much as you deserved.

Which is to say, not much.

.. Ahhhh, greenie logic hard at work I see.


With the mileage I put on driving to work, yes, I would need charge stations set up. That's part of infrastructure.

No plug-ins around anywhere?

Here's an eco-tip to solve your infrastructure problem... It's called an extension cord.



You need an energy compliant grid, yes.

Solar panels on your roof need compliance from the national grid?.. How much solar power are you really thinking of producing?
 

mentalfloss

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No plug-ins around anywhere?

Here's an eco-tip to solve your infrastructure problem... It's called an extension cord.

The mileage provided on these cars cannot be solved by an extension cord.

Solar panels on your roof need compliance from the national grid?.. How much solar power are you really thinking of producing?

The panels power the grid that provide energy for the transport infrastructure.
 

captain morgan

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The mileage provided on these cars cannot be solved by an extension cord.

Don't drive so much then.... Another green-tip for ya.

The panels power the grid that provide energy for the transport infrastructure.


The solar panels that you can buy for you home connect directly into your home's infrastructure.

Another problem solved.
 

captain morgan

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Cherry picking loses arguments. Another logic tip for ya.


How about this... You research a likely eco R&D company and invest heavily in them with an eye towards solving this horrible conundrum?

On a voluntary basis, it won't be enough to supply for charge stations or even general use.

All you're looking to do here is provide electricity to your own home and not be a drain on the overall grid... When there is a large enough population of like minded eco-warriors doing the same thing, the overall requirement for coal-fired electricity will fall dramatically.

You will have saved the planet.. And isn't this what it's all about?
 

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Oil is a perpetually renewable fuel. We are being asked to bite the bullet simply to maintain another stranglehold of the wealthy. As soon as my back feels better I'm going to beat up the first CO2 gasbag I encounter. If they're smaller.

If we don't burn the oil the lands will be covered in tar pits. Tar pits are bad for polar bears and baby seals.

Why do the CO2 gasbag lobby support tar pits?
 

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All you're looking to do here is provide electricity to your own home and not be a drain on the overall grid... When there is a large enough population of like minded eco-warriors doing the same thing, the overall requirement for coal-fired electricity will fall dramatically.

The demand is inevitable. It's just a matter of making the transition smoothly.
 

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The transition starts with you running out and purchasing/installing your solar panels.

Well that's the private aspect of the industry, yes.

But that movement needs a push based on public policy or there won't be much of a transition at all.

We all know that the free market is a farce. You need government regulation to keep some industries in check. Particularly the ones that are based on items of necessity rather than commodities.
 

captain morgan

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Well that's the private aspect of the industry, yes.

But that movement needs a push based on public policy or there won't be much of a transition at all.


No public policy necessary on this.. Just the will and desire to go out and get it done on a personal and individual basis.

Let's face it, you've come up with every excuse in the book (so far) as to why you, as an individual, do not have the strength of belief in your movement to actually pay for the actions and tech that you demand that the world adopt.

Sad.
 

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No public policy necessary on this.. Just the will and desire to go out and get it done on a personal and individual basis.

Let's face it, you've come up with every excuse in the book (so far) as to why you, as an individual, do not have the strength of belief in your movement to actually pay for the actions and tech that you demand that the world adopt.

Sad.

What's sad is that all of you got left is an ad hominem insult.
 

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What's sad is that all of you got left is an ad hominem insult.


No more answers then, eh?... I suppose that I hit a little too close to home.

Hell, I'll give you another chance: Why have you not adopted any of the numerous suggestions to help poor ole Mother Gaia?.. All of this tech is commercially available to install on your home?... What has stopped you?

Note to readers: I predict that the response to the above will be along the lines of "What tech are you referring to?"
 

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But, but how could Greenpeace and WWF be able to travel to the poor wee bears if they can't gas-up their SUV's?

I'll bet that Suzuki will be pissed at your comment Cliffy.. You do recall that he has a shiny new diesel bus that, if memory serves, runs on diesel and not rainbows and good intentions.
I heard it runs on bio-diesel made from used restaurant cooking oil.

I'd have thought it would run on bio-diesel made from problem Polar Bears?
 

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No more answers then, eh?... I suppose that I hit a little too close to home.

Hell, I'll give you another chance: Why have you not adopted any of the numerous suggestions to help poor ole Mother Gaia?.. All of this tech is commercially available to install on your home?... What has stopped you?

Note to readers: I predict that the response to the above will be along the lines of "What tech are you referring to?"


The relative difference in our capacity for a resource shift when comparing my own individual contribution and that of a legitimate shift in policy is massive.

Therefore, education and transparency on this issue is of greater effect than simply planting a tree.

It was that kind of awareness that actually caused enough stir to delay Keystone until 2013.

:)
 
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captain morgan

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The relative difference in our capacity for a resource shift when comparing my own individual contribution and that of a legitimate shift in policy is massive.

Therefore, education and transparency on this issue is of greater effect than simply planting a tree.

What a cop-out.

Seeing how you are prolific in your posts of detailing how there is a majority of people that support these initiatives, where are they in getting together with you and installing the tech?

Which is it? Is the majority 'educated' already or just too cheap to put their money where their mouth is?

It was that kind of awareness that actually caused enough stir to delay Keystone until 2013.

:)

How many of those hypocrites have installed meaningful green tech?.. Other than Redford (maybe)
 

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What a cop-out.

Seeing how you are prolific in your posts of detailing how there is a majority of people that support these initiatives, where are they in getting together with you and installing the tech?

Which is it? Is the majority 'educated' already or just too cheap to put their money where their mouth is?

You don't need to immediately install a solar panel or plant a tree to support an initiative.

The first step is to enact public policy. It would be nice if this could be left to private industry, but unfortunately, the free market is flawed. Corporations will tie whatever green measures they support to profit and it doesn't make sense that environmental concern is limited to profitability.

How many of those hypocrites have installed meaningful green tech?.. Other than Redford (maybe)

Again, this is just farcical.

It's not meaningfully practical (nor fair) to expect every person to have the same level of exposure, time, or consideration for whatever movement or idea that takes hold.

Priority starts from top to bottom, not the other way around.

That's why the industry leaders and government officials are the first in line to be responsible for this matter. Especially considering it's been scientifically sound for quite a while now.