Hamilton city worker who crashed car while drunk gets to keep his job

[JLM]

22 years old is still a kid. Not enough life experience there to call him anything else.

It is not punishment for $9000 in damage that is the issue. He ignored instructions from his supervisor and use a city vehicle for personal gain. He CHOSE to consume copious amounts of alcohol. He then CHOSE to get behind the wheel at 3 times the legal limit and endanger thousands of lives. For doing this he got a $1500 fine and is rewarded with a good job with good benefits and a pension. I think the crimes are far more than $9000 in property damage and the punishment does not even equate to the $9000. I think if he had lost his license for a year or 5 and been sent to jail with mandatory drug & alcohol counselling the people on the streets of Hamilton would be safer and therefore be better off.

22 year employee Nick, which would make him at least 40!

 

[PoliticalNick]

22 year employee Nick, which would make him at least 40!

My error. For some reason I read 22 year old employee.

 

[wulfie68]

I didn't realize a "kid" was involved, I was responding to the 22 year employee. Can't agree with you, Nick. Punishment has already been meted out and served. How long should punishment for $9000 damage continue? People do change their ways. Who will be better off to continue the punishment at this stage?

The legal system punished him but his employer's right to pumish him for the betrayal of their trust has been taken away. He knew damned well that he was in the wrong BEFORE he took his first drink. If he wants to make choices like that, then I have no remorse at all about his employer, be they the City of Hamilton like in this case, or any other private or public organization to skid his ass and hire someone who makes better choices.

 

[JLM]

The legal system punished him but his employer's right to pumish him for the betrayal of their trust has been taken away. He knew damned well that he was in the wrong BEFORE he took his first drink. If he wants to make choices like that, then I have no remorse at all about his employer, be they the City of Hamilton like in this case, or any other private or public organization to skid his ass and hire someone who makes better choices.

There's no doubt he did wrong, and he knows it, we can all look back at stupid mistakes we've made and generally don't repeat them. The employer has already received their "pound of flesh". I'm more in favour of correcting the man not destroying him. Is the employee who replaces him guaranteed to make better choices?

 

[PoliticalNick]

There's no doubt he did wrong, and he knows it, we can all look back at stupid mistakes we've made and generally don't repeat them. The employer has already received their "pound of flesh". I'm more in favour of correcting the man not destroying him. Is the employee who replaces him guaranteed to make better choices?

Actually the employer didn't get anything. They did not receive the $1500 fine he paid, that went to the court. They did not get to terminate his employment for just cause, that right was taken away from them by some meathead who wanted be all so benevolent and godlike. All the employer got was the loss of use of a vehicle and probably an increase in their insurance costs if they even made a claim. If they didn't claim or it was denied for cause then they were out the cost of replacing the vehicle or a $9000 bill to repair it.

So please do tell me where they got a 'pound of flesh' from in this case! :roll:

 

[JLM]

Actually the employer didn't get anything. They did not receive the $1500 fine he paid, that went to the court. They did not get to terminate his employment for just cause, that right was taken away from them by some meathead who wanted be all so benevolent and godlike. All the employer got was the loss of use of a vehicle and probably an increase in their insurance costs if they even made a claim. If they didn't claim or it was denied for cause then they were out the cost of replacing the vehicle or a $9000 bill to repair it.

So please do tell me where they got a 'pound of flesh' from in this case! :roll:

OK you win this round Nick. I was thinking more along the lines of them not having to put up with him or pay him for a year and a half. But I'm still on the side of the employee, he was (apparently) a valued employee for 22 years. It's in EVERYONE'S best interests if he can return to work, so long as he doesn't slip up and do something stupid again. I'm betting he won't. :smile: