That's almost as ignorant as the event itself.
Denying free speech is a bigger crime, IMHO.
World War II: The Holocaust
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Lots of free speech in Germany - The Holocaust is what many would say a unique event. Germany had to pay a price after the war and they saw fit to have this law.
I am unaware of the Law that Andem is referring to.
The only law that I am aware of is Denial of the Holocaust.
Other countries saw fit to have these laws due to that countries active cooperation with the Nazi's in the Holocaust. I am not stating that all citizens participated but many countries denied cooperating. France is one clear example. Cannot remember the name of a film - yes a film - shown 30-35 - years ago proving that France cooperated with the Nazi's - The film if I recall was banned in France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n4p-2_Toben.html
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1, Holocaust denial is not hate speech.
2, I do not support Canadian hate crime legislation.
I believe in free speech.
People rationalize about all kinds of things all the time.
the need for war
The need for abortion
to name just 2.
They're wrong, full stop.
Well you have your beliefs - and those are based upon religion -for one - Many do not agree so those people are all aholes to you.
I agree on both counts. I actually know somebody very well who has been before the tribunal and summarily executed, so to speak, on the spot for no other reason than he was a white male. How fair is that? To speak the truth on the Internet is worse than murder in Canada. Karla Homolka has more freedom to do what she wants than some "convicted" "criminals" of the so-called human rights tribunals of various provinces and Canada.
Did I imply anything of the sort?
Or are you just sniffing between the lines for something to gripe about?
I beg to differ
Holocaust denial is hate Speech - It is incitement to hate a specific subset of the population - The US take free speech to the extreme in my opinion.
I agree with most of Canada's hate laws - excepting section 13 that is used by the CHRC.
Of course they are based on religion, how could they be anything else since I "claim" to be a Christian. I'm curious, How many Christians are anti war, anti death penalty, anti abortion, anti killing?
It isn't. Which is why I view said legislation as abhorrent and unjust.
They are a step backwards. It stifles free expression and a legitimate discussion.
You're preaching to the choir dear sir.
How is it any different than someone spouting any other opinion? It's not an opinion I agree with,;personally I think holocaust deniers are ignorant, bigoted morons.
You rebut the speech; you don't silence the speaker. That slope is just too slippery.
Holocaust denial isn't hate speech. It's denying something took place.
Likely many.
We as a people never participated in the Holocaust as willing partners - Check the history of how many countries distanced themselves by stating - Not us - it was the Nazi's - Austria is just a recent addition to a long list acknowledging their active participation in the Holocaust. The Nazi's had lots of help in this. Check the history.
That changes peoples of those countries opinion - They I understand consider denial of the Holocaust a Hate Crime.
Still lots of free speech - demonstrations etc in Europe.
They're free to that opinion. I think they do their people a disservice.
Especially anti western protests by Muslims, and anti US protests by everybody.
Nothing unites the lowest common denominators, like real hate.
