Harper defends MacKay over VIP jets

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The headline should have read "If you don't support Conservative foreign affairs and defense policy then you don't support the troops" Which by extension could read "If you don't support the conservatives you don't support the troops".
 

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The headline should have read "If you don't support Conservative foreign affairs and defense policy then you don't support the troops" Which by extension could read "If you don't support the conservatives you don't support the troops".
Only if you're an idiot.

Unless you can back that stupidity up with some quotes from Macleans quotes from question period to support that idiotic claim.
 

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Mr. MacKay rose and explained how the NDP’s lack of support for the government’s previous budgets has amounted to a lack of support for the troops.

I'm sure though that you have some convoluted bullshyte story how this doesn't prove my statements.
 

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I'm sure though that you have some convoluted bullshyte story how this doesn't prove my statements.
No, convoluted bullsh!t is what you post.

The NDP have voted against increases in Military funding or allocation/procurement. Consistently. Since they did the same thing under the Liberals. It isn't about the Conservatives, it's part of their ideology.

As to the Macleans article. There is nothing in the quotes mentioned by Mcleans, that even remotely support their headline.
 

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As to the Macleans article. There is nothing in the quotes mentioned by Mcleans, that even remotely support their headline.
Okay, upon retrospect the title is somewhat misleading.

A better title would be: Peter MacKay supports the troops, suggests opposition member doesn't, therefor opposition member's point is moot.

But there is some evidence that instead of responding substantively, MacKay say he has done all he can to support the troops, and in doing so, suggests the opposition member does not. Since the opposition member is questioning and criticizing him, he sticks to the "you don't support the troops as much as I do" insinuation.
 

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Here's the timeline stumpy.

The headline should have read "If you don't support Conservative foreign affairs and defense policy then you don't support the troops" Which by extension could read "If you don't support the conservatives you don't support the troops".

Only if you're an idiot.

Unless you can back that stupidity up with some quotes from Macleans quotes from question period to support that idiotic claim.

Mr. MacKay rose and explained how the NDP’s lack of support for the government’s previous budgets has amounted to a lack of support for the troops.
I'm sure though that you have some convoluted bullshyte story how this doesn't prove my statements.

No, convoluted bullsh!t is what you post.

The NDP have voted against increases in Military funding or allocation/procurement. Consistently. Since they did the same thing under the Liberals. It isn't about the Conservatives, it's part of their ideology.

As to the Macleans article. There is nothing in the quotes mentioned by Mcleans, that even remotely support their headline.

Now, do you see how I had said what the headline should have been and the quote taken from Mcleans was in support of that, as that is what you asked for.

Hellooooooooooooooooo... anyone home???????????

Also, voting against increases to the military is not showing a lack of anything. It is showing that the NDP, which I personally support, feels that our military should be for defense only and therefore does not require the moneys or hardware to go out of country.
 

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Okay, upon retrospect the title is somewhat misleading.
The fact that you think it's 'somewhat', says you have no objectivity.

... he sticks to the "you don't support the troops as much as I do" insinuation.
Because it's true. Although I think it tacky to use it as an excuse.

Hellooooooooooooooooo... anyone home???????????
Not on your end Abtfet.
 

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Tacky? It's intellectually dishonest to completely evade a question, and instead use it as a mean to claim another member doesn't support the troops.

And in the larger picture, it's intellectually dishonest to equate wanting a smaller military with not supporting the troops. It's on the same level of intellectually dishonesty as calling them unpatriotic, or un-Canadian or something.
 

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Really?

That's his defense?

Voters will see through this sort of deflection logic and that will play into the hands of the NDP.

Yes I'm sure they'll throw their vote right into the lap of whoever might be running the NDP or Liberal Party in four years or so.


In general I don't like the conservatives, or their policies. But in this case, I have to side with the Harper conservatives. This is a bogus non-issue.

This is a case where if you don't use it, you'll loose it.

The PM, senior cabinet ministers and Canada's top generals must have a mobility capability in the event of an emergency or disaster. This fleet must maintain an operational readiness at all times. The only way to maintain this operational capability is to keep using it. Every time McKay picks up the phone and says I want to go from a to b without a warning, is a test of the operational capability and opportunity to provide crew training.

If these planes sit mothballed in a hangar, then the operational capability to react quickly to a disaster or an emergency will be lost. (no trained crew, no ability to quickly pick people up and move them around). Every time this capability is used, it a test of disaster preparedness.

Now I'm not saying there should be no limits. On the contrary, the testing/training must have a budget. Once that budget is gone, then that's it for the year. How the senior people in Canada's government use this capability is their business. Its a perk that comes with the job.

Somebody call Jack Palance and get a camera crew out here ASAP. I just agreed with EAO.
 

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Tacky? It's intellectually dishonest to completely evade a question, and instead use it as a mean to claim another member doesn't support the troops.
That would be great, if you actually read what I said, and replied in kind.

And in the larger picture, it's intellectually dishonest to equate wanting a smaller military with not supporting the troops. It's on the same level of intellectually dishonesty as calling them unpatriotic, or un-Canadian or something.
I'd agree, if they merely voted against procurement of large scale purchases. Since they consistently vote against military spending that covers basic needs, I don't.
 

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I'd agree, if they merely voted against procurement of large scale purchases. Since they consistently vote against military spending that covers basic needs, I don't.
May I see some evidence for this?

That would be great, if you actually read what I said, and replied in kind.
Maybe you should make yourself clearer, then. You said it was true that the NDP supports the troops less than MacKay, correct?
Then you went on to say it's tacky to use that as an excuse to... avoid a question, correct?
 

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What's to fold? Your silly claims? Make believe commentary that isn't in the Macleans article?

Sorry dude, I don't live in your make believe version of reality.


When you resort to calling me "abfet/aoe/etc.... obviously you have folded your hand.

As for my quote, it was directly out of the Mcleans article supporting what I said. Maybe have someone read the article to you if you are having comprehension problems.
 

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When you resort to calling me "abfet/aoe/etc.... obviously you have folded your hand.
No. I call you Abtfet/EAO/OB, when you start posting like them. Suck it up buttercup.

As for my quote, it was directly out of the Mcleans article supporting what I said. Maybe have someone read the article to you if you are having comprehension problems.
And I addressed it Abtfet.

Maybe if Jenn reads it to you, you might get it. Maybe if she illustrates it with some crayons. She's used to working with kids and the mentally infirm. Although I bet you'll pose a little challenge.
 

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Are you kidding?
No, because I can recall two pretty big military expenditure they voted for, initially: the Libyan invasion and the Afghanistan war. Of course, later on they changed their mind and wanted them to end. But their record is hardly consistently against 'basic needs' of the military, unless you care to provide evidence.

Well, that's what it was used for. It was used to evade a question. What were you trying to say?
 

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No, because I can recall two pretty big military expenditure they voted for, initially: the Libyan invasion and the Afghanistan war. Of course, later on they changed their mind and wanted them to end. But their record is hardly consistently against 'basic needs' of the military, unless you care to provide evidence.
Do you think the NDP just sprang up last election?

Do you know what kind of effort I would have to put out, to allocated that archived material?

Would you stop voting NDP, if I did all the leg work?

Well, that's what it was used for. It was used to evade a question.
No it wasn't, it was used to attack the opposition and emphasize an excuse given in defence of some of Mackay's flights. The xcuse was already given. The opposition attacked the excuse. The Minister attacked the opposition.

Its called politics.