Baird Lambasts Proponents of Palestinian UN Bid

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In Ontario, yes! In fact, one Ontario Jewish father even made a formal complaint about it to the UNHCHR on the grounds that he had to pay out of pocket for his chil'd Jewish education but that had he been catholic he would not have had to do that.
I paid out of pocket to send my kid to a private school. Do you know why? The administration and building costs more for a private school. Private schools get funded too ya know, The tutions are to cover the above and beyond costs.
 

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I paid out of pocket to send my kid to a private school. Do you know why? The administration and building costs more for a private school. Private schools get funded too ya know, The tutions are to cover the above and beyond costs.

Yes, but the option of a [public Jewish school covered by taxes is not an opion, whereas a public Catholic one covered by taxes is. Do you see th eissue with that from the point of view of equality and freedom?
 

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Yes, but the option of a [public Jewish school covered by taxes is not an opion, whereas a public Catholic one covered by taxes is. Do you see th eissue with that from the point of view of equality and freedom?
It has nothing to do with freedom. It is however inequality, and has nothing to do with Baird's speech.
 

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It will also force Palestine to form a single accountable gov't.

Which will make any rocket attacks on Israel, either an act of war, or if committed by parties other than the gov't of Palestine, make Palestine a failed State.

Is this a bad thing?
 

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Fair enough. So why is this such a harmful move against Israel then?
I never said it was.

It's actually more harmful for Palestine. Since they've claimed many times that the gov't didn't authorize this attack or that.

You are aware of what constitutes a failed State right?

You do understand what can legally happen if Palestine becomes a failed State right?

UN recognized Statehood doesn't just mean you get invited to the party for cake and cookies. It comes with responsibility, and accountability.

The point of that was?

Hey MF, you feel up to backing up your erroneous claims about what Baird said yet?
 
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I never said it was.

It's actually more harmful for Palestine. Since they've claimed many times that the gov't didn't authorize this attack or that.

That's just fine. That would make them accountable for their actions and retaliation against the same would actually be lent more credibility, right?

If it allows for a "just" conflict then that is a good step.

The point of that was?

It had to do with jews and was funny.
 

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That's just fine. That would make them accountable for their actions and retaliation against the same would actually be lent more credibility, right?
Yep, well so you would hope.

It had to do with jews and was funny.
You do realize it was satirical right?

Are you still not ready to discuss your erroneous claims about what Baird said?
 

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You do realize it was satirical right?

Yes. Fortunately, I know the guy is Jewish which makes it pretty hilarious.

Are you still not ready to discuss your erroneous claims about what Baird said?

He was a goon and overly aggressive. All he had to say was that they don't support the bid. It's unprofessional and not representative of how Canadians would typically respond to this issue.
 

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Those palestians eventually adopted Islam over time and so now have less of a right to it taht those whose ancestors left and now are coming back, according to bair'ds philosophy I suppose.

Oh the chosen people crap again. The state of Israel was not originally recognized by the UN because of any chosen people crap. The Palestinians are Semites. Even the Zionists themselves realize that the large majority of their ranks are not Semites. Most of them realize that their large majority are not coming back to a region that their ancestors were kick out of because they never lived there to begin with. Do a search in the Jewish encyclopedia for Ashkenaz and you will find they are a Scythian people stemmed from Noah's son Japheth, not Sem. The Jewish Virtual Library says the Ashkenaz make up over 80 percent of world Jewry today. That is why there is a growing movement amongst Jews both inside and outside of Israel for a one state solution. Don't believe me, then read the three page review of Shlomo Sand's book 'The Invention of the Jewish People'. And yes Shlomo Sand is a Jew himself.
Controversial Bestseller Shakes the Foundation of the Israeli State | | AlterNet

Edited - Baird needs to catch up on his history.
 
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He's denouncing the bid simply because of Israel which I don't think is reasonable.

I think if he could show how Palestine is not a peace-abiding nation then it would be more convincing as that is one of the qualification criteria for entering the UN as a state.
 

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You and Baird need to catch up on your history boy.
I think you need to learn how to read. Machjo is on your side, lol.

He's denouncing the bid simply because of Israel which I don't think that's reasonable.
How so?

I think if he could show how Palestine is not a peace-abiding nation then it would be more convincing as that is one of the qualification criteria for entering the UN as a state.
I can do that in one post with a small 5 lined paragraph.

I'm not defending Canada's position on the recognition of Palestine as a State, I completely disagree with that position, but can completely understand why the gov't has taken that line. I'm trying to figure out how you came to your conclusions. The first one you made...

Equating a palestinian UN bid with Nazism?

Nowhere in his speech does he do that. Although I can and have proven that Hamas has a direct ancestral link to Adolph Hitlers Nazi Party. Whose ideology is still quite apparent in the Hamas Charter and the overall culture of Palestinian leadership at present.

My honest opinion here is, Statehood, will be the down fall of Palestine. They need to, as Baird suggested, negotiate a permanent truce with Israel. Expunge the hate from their Charter and culture, get control of their territory and try again when they have done so.

Until then, they walk upon thin ice, above an abyssal of their own making. As I outlined previously with the outcome of recognition and the inability to control groups at work within their borders.
 

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I'm not defending Canada's position on the recognition of Palestine as a State, I completely disagree with that position, but can completely understand why the gov't has taken that line. I'm trying to figure out how you came to your conclusions. The first one you made...

Well he didn't say it directly, but c'mon - look at all the flavouring!
 

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Well he didn't say it directly, but c'mon - look at all the flavouring!
No he didn't say it directly, nor did he imply it, insinuate it, allude to it or any such thing.

Unless someone were squinting real hard and looking for something to whine about. I fully grasp your pacifist tendencies, and you don't like it when Canada actually stands up and takes a position. Sorry, not every Canadian is a lip service, fence sitting, pansy.

Oh come on, quit cherry picking what suits your comeback from my posts while ignoring the rest.
Are you serious? He would be able to post anymore if he stopped that.