Alberta should create oilsands commission: panel

[mentalfloss]

Let's start again.

It's disingenuous, but it's not a scam. In order for something to be a scam, the corp must make you believe something other than what is actually happening. So are these carbon banks definitively promising carbon reductions even though that isn't the case?

 

[petros]

Let's start again.

It's disingenuous, but it's not a scam. In order for something to be a scam, the corp must make you believe something other than what is actually happening. So are these carbon banks definitively promising carbon reductions even though that isn't the case?

There are no reductions. It's a shell game.

It's a "feel good" measure for the weak of mind. Does the $30 extra on your airfare to pay some guy to plant a sapling really worth the $30 and carbon foot print of a trip if that sapling can be plowed under in 5 years?

 

[mentalfloss]

There are no reductions. It's a shell game.

It's a "feel good" measure for the weak of mind. Does the $30 extra on your airfare to pay some guy to plant a sapling really worth the $30 and carbon foot print of a trip if that sapling can be plowed under in 5 years?

I agree.

That's not a scam. That's the consumer being stupid.

 

[petros]

If the consumer is being duped into a feeling good situation in which they believe a tree will be grown to maturity thanks to their $30 efforts while the airline pockets an extra $10 then they've just been scammed out of $30 and fed a lie.

 

[mentalfloss]

If the consumer is being duped into a feeling good situation in which they believe a tree will be grown to maturity thanks to their $30 efforts while the airline pockets an extra $10 then they've just been scammed out of $30 and fed a lie.

If the consumer actually believes their $30 will go far without actually knowing what the legitimate impact is, then they kind of deserve it. Anyone who takes a leap without looking for ground first, should expect some losses.

The corp may be disingenuous by withholding information indirectly, but that's not a blatant lie.

 

[petros]

If the consumer actually believes their $30 will go far without actually knowing what the legitimate impact is, then they kind of deserve it. Anyone who takes a leap without looking for ground first, should expect some losses.

Corporations are assholes. But consumers are also stupid when they don't look for evidence.

And that my friend is what make a scam a scam. Reliance on ignorance regardless whether it's corporate, a public entity like a casino or lottery, very few actually gain other than the corp or the gov.

OTOH if some goof ball in France thinks I'm doing them a favour and wants to pay me $6 an acre then so be it. Scam or no scam I'm not going to say no and the Feds will take $1.80 of that $6 as "income" from me. Partners in crime if you will.

 

[captain morgan]

Everyone knows that oil/gas is a primitive, non-renewable construct that we need to give up in favour of clean tech.

This statement begs 3 questions:

1. What are the viable alternatives?
2. Why are they not being employed?
3. What have you, as an individual done to acquire and employ this technology?

When you answer these questions, in a meaningful manner, you will have your answer as to why your statement is incorrect.

As the reality of anthropogenic climate change finally begins......

Do you mean global warming, 'cause I'll stop you right there.

As more time passes, your movement loses more and more momentum. I think it's fair to say that this thread is not the place to debate this topic, but suffice to say, it appears that the media is no longer following this story as there have been to many - ah, shall we say - inconvenient truths surface regarding the premise of global warming..

It's impossible to expect the oil industry to accept their inevitable death all at once, so this has to happen gradually.

It's not their responsibility for them to replace themselves is it, especially when there is such a massive demand for the product. On that note, you are missing the connect that it is YOU that has the power to alter this demand, but because you do not have the desire to do so, you will always be their #1 customer.

 

[petros]

How do you get accurate ice core data of CO2 atmospheric content when the ice is loaded with bacteria that produce CO2?

 

[YukonJack]

How do you get accurate ice core data of CO2 atmospheric content when the ice is loaded with bacteria that produce CO2?

How did bacteria ever produce CO2? Did any of them ever drive an SUV? Paid mortgage on an air-conditioned house? Produced more than one offspring? (Well, Yeah, maybe) Did any bacteria ever wanted to destroy Mother Gaia? Was any bacteria ever unfriendly to Al Gore?

 

[petros]

No no. The wording you are wanting is "how DOES bacteria produce CO2"?

Start with beer and take it from there.....

 

[cranky]

any biomatter in the presence of oxigen is likely to oxidize, and when it does, you get CO2

I know that there is someone out there with a bit more biochemistry than me that will pounce on me for writing this, but you get the general idea. and I won't retract.

 

[mentalfloss]

This statement begs 3 questions:

1. What are the viable alternatives?
2. Why are they not being employed?
3. What have you, as an individual done to acquire and employ this technology?

Nissan LEAF Electric Car | Home | Nissan Canada Official Site

I don't have the funds right now, but there is a pretty good market for that retail value - especially considering the $8,500.00 rebate. This is an excellent starting point to get a mass market movement going.

You can expect quite a few nations to relieve themselves of their oil dependency within the next 20-30 years. The ones that take that initiative to get moving now will have the upper hand just as we get kicked to the curb for our reliance on petrol.

 

[petros]

When they make a3/4 t truck that will survive a drive to Black Lake and back in Feb, I'll buy electric.

Oh and it needs and pull a trailer with 8000lbs of stuff.

 

[mentalfloss]

When they make a3/4 t truck that will survive a drive to Black Lake and back in Feb, I'll buy electric.

I'm sure GMC will catch on one day, lol

 

[YukonJack]

Nissan LEAF Electric Car | Home | Nissan Canada Official Site

I don't have the funds right now, but there is a pretty good market for that retail value - especially considering the $8,500.00 rebate. This is an excellent starting point to get a mass market movement going.

You can expect quite a few nations to relieve themselves of their oil dependency within the next 20-30 years. The ones that take that initiative to get moving now will have the upper hand just as we get kicked to the curb for our reliance on petrol.

The Nissan Leaf and the GM Volt are for those who have the mentality of a bicycle pusher, but sadly, lack the legs. Or those who never have to take a 2,000 km drive (or go through the swarthy turban-wearing airport 'security' personnel).

 

[petros]

I'm sure GMC will catch on one day, lol

I want a truck not a GMC.

The Nissan Leaf and the GM Volt are for those who have the mentality of a bicycle pusher, but sadly, lack the legs. Or those who never have to take a 2,000 km drive (or go through the swarthy turban-wearing airport 'security' personnel).

WTF does airport security who hire Sikhs have to do with cars?

 

[YukonJack]

I want a truck not a GMC.


WTF does airport security who hire Sikhs have to do with cars?

petros, I know I have expressed this before: If I can drive there, I will not fly there, mostly because I would rather drive than go though the agony of airport inspection by some who are far more likely to be terrorists than I. And they are usually swarthy and wear a turban of whatever sort or make, representing whatever religion that is alien to our country.

 

[petros]

petros, I know I have expressed this before: If I can drive there, I will not fly there, mostly because I would rather drive than go though the agony of airport inspection by some who are far more likely to be terrorists than I. And they are usually swarthy and wear a turban of whatever sort or make, representing whatever religion that is alien to our country.

Drive to here and fly. Airport security is a bunch of young white chicks.

 

[karrie]

petros, I know I have expressed this before: If I can drive there, I will not fly there, mostly because I would rather drive than go though the agony of airport inspection by some who are far more likely to be terrorists than I. And they are usually swarthy and wear a turban of whatever sort or make, representing whatever religion that is alien to our country.

You are such... *bites tongue, HARD, as an afterthought*

 

[cranky]

Perhaps he is or perhaps he isnt, but there is an observation in there that is somewhat acurate. Airport security is definitely more ethnic than the actual ethnic ratios in Canada.
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You are such... *bites tongue, HARD, as an afterthought*