Responsible Gun Owners Not So Much, Typical!

[ironsides]

No one should be allowed to shoot recklessly at a gun range, it is the responsibility of those who run the range to make sure no one fools around. Registered/un-registered, a gun cannot hurt you. People should be registered before purchasing any weapon. Once they are registered, they can go buy what ever they want. Maybe check them out again as they buy arms every couple of years. No need for gun registration then.

 

[Unforgiven]

No one should be allowed to shoot recklessly at a gun range, it is the responsibility of those who run the range to make sure no one fools around. Registered/un-registered, a gun cannot hurt you. People should be registered before purchasing any weapon. Once they are registered, they can go buy what ever they want. Maybe check them out again as they buy arms every couple of years. No need for gun registration then.

Of course if it isn't a gun range at all and just an open field just down from a farmers house and barn then there isn't someone who runs it to be held responsible. Again not much of an example of responsible gun owners.

Further, when there is an unregistered gun used in a crime and someone asks the question "where did this gun come from?" all the so called responsible gun owners shake their heads and sputter out "not mine". Some people lie to get out of trouble if they think they can. Some people are simply put, just plain stupid. It's obvious that the testing that goes on to decide who and who doesn't get to own and have a gun isn't working.

Like drivers who can't drive, it's those who test them and pass them that are allowing this to happen. It doesn't have to be a criminal, a dumb person with a gun is just as dangerous.

 

[cranky]

... when there is an unregistered gun used in a crime and someone asks the question "where did this gun come from?" all the so called responsible gun owners shake their heads and sputter out "not mine"

Another worthless arguement.

When a registered gun is used in a crime and someone asks the question "where did the gun come from?" all the so call responsible gun owners shake their heads and sputter out "not mine"

... it is the responsibility of those who run the range to make sure no one fools around. .

Absolutely, however, I would add that the person pulling the trigger is ultimately responsible for ensure that their weapon is discharged safely.

 

[cranky]

YouTube - ‪Criminals For Gun Control 1 Home Invasion‬‏

 

[ironsides]

Of course if it isn't a gun range at all and just an open field just down from a farmers house and barn then there isn't someone who runs it to be held responsible. Again not much of an example of responsible gun owners.

Further, when there is an unregistered gun used in a crime and someone asks the question "where did this gun come from?" all the so called responsible gun owners shake their heads and sputter out "not mine". Some people lie to get out of trouble if they think they can. Some people are simply put, just plain stupid. It's obvious that the testing that goes on to decide who and who doesn't get to own and have a gun isn't working.

Like drivers who can't drive, it's those who test them and pass them that are allowing this to happen. It doesn't have to be a criminal, a dumb person with a gun is just as dangerous.

A dumb person with a gun could be more dangerous. No matter though, every gun sold legally today in the U.S. is attached to a name.

 

[Unforgiven]

A dumb person with a gun could be more dangerous. No matter though, every gun sold legally today in the U.S. is attached to a name.

But it's so easy to sell a gun illegally and make some pretty good money doing that it's doesn't really matter if legal guns are attached to a name or not. Hell you can just up and give a gun to someone in some states.

Here in order to have a gun or any kind, it has to be registered. This is what they want to do away with.

 

[Colpy]

But it's so easy to sell a gun illegally and make some pretty good money doing that it's doesn't really matter if legal guns are attached to a name or not. Hell you can just up and give a gun to someone in some states.

Here in order to have a gun or any kind, it has to be registered. This is what they want to do away with.

The problem is, Unforgiven, is that you are delusional. There are several million guns in Canada that are not registered. Making a ridiculously inaccurate and incomplete list of guns does nothing to stop availability to criminals, or crime.

YouTube - ‪Criminals For Gun Control 1 Home Invasion‬‏

As my old Daddy, born in 1917, dead these 8 years, a wonderful man, deer slayer without equal, and an master rifleman said to me many many years ago after we watched a newspiece on home invasions...."This stuff never happened when everyone had a loaded .30-30 hanging over the back door....."

 

[Unforgiven]

The problem is, Unforgiven, is that you are delusional. There are several million guns in Canada that are not registered. Making a ridiculously inaccurate and incomplete list of guns does nothing to stop availability to criminals, or crime.

You know Colpy the problem is that you're a gun nut. The only thing that makes sense to you any more is guns guns guns. From your own admission there are quite a large number of gun owners that are criminals. Hence they shouldn't have guns. I expect you're among them.

As my old Daddy, born in 1917, dead these 8 years, a wonderful man, deer slayer without equal, and an master rifleman said to me many many years ago after we watched a newspiece on home invasions...."This stuff never happened when everyone had a loaded .30-30 hanging over the back door....."

Long before you're Daddy was knee high to a grass hopper, people wore guns all the time when out in the lawless expanse of the new frontier. Home invasion nothing, there were shoot outs in the street, there were Indian attacks, well when the Indians could still do some attacking that is, and let's not even get into claim jumping.

Times change and so do tactics criminals use to take what isn't theirs.

 

[Colpy]

You know Colpy the problem is that you're a gun nut. The only thing that makes sense to you any more is guns guns guns. From your own admission there are quite a large number of gun owners that are criminals. Hence they shouldn't have guns. I expect you're among them.



Long before you're Daddy was knee high to a grass hopper, people wore guns all the time when out in the lawless expanse of the new frontier. Home invasion nothing, there were shoot outs in the street, there were Indian attacks, well when the Indians could still do some attacking that is, and let's not even get into claim jumping.

Times change and so do tactics criminals use to take what isn't theirs.

I don't care to dance this idiot dance yet again.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Dispelling the myth of 'The Wild West' - Minneapolis gun rights | Examiner.com

You lost. The registry is gonna go. Permanently.

deal with it.

And watch the murder rate NOT rise significantly.

What ever will you do then???

 

[ironsides]

Of course if it isn't a gun range at all and just an open field just down from a farmers house and barn then there isn't someone who runs it to be held responsible. Again not much of an example of responsible gun owners.

Further, when there is an unregistered gun used in a crime and someone asks the question "where did this gun come from?" all the so called responsible gun owners shake their heads and sputter out "not mine". Some people lie to get out of trouble if they think they can. Some people are simply put, just plain stupid. It's obvious that the testing that goes on to decide who and who doesn't get to own and have a gun isn't working.

Like drivers who can't drive, it's those who test them and pass them that are allowing this to happen. It doesn't have to be a criminal, a dumb person with a gun is just as dangerous.

Once the gun is sold to you by the retailer, you can turn around and sell it to whomever you please, but it can always be traced back to you and you better have a bill of sale showing who you sold it to or you have a problem if it was used illegally.

 

[cranky]

I grew up in a mining town where almost every house had hunting rifles, and it seemed like everyone around me learned to handle firearms at a very young age. Our fathers drilled the safety into us, and before we were enough to have drivers licenses and jobs, we were already drilling safety into each other.

To this day, if i ask myself if a group of rough blue collar workers should be trusted with firearms, its a YES. I trust a community of longgun owners more than i trust a community that isnt. Its the idiots that dont know a damned thing about firearms that is the problem.

 

[Johnnny]

So it's not really the same at all.

To me it does feel the same. A car and a gun are both tools that need to be operated by a human. I watch the news quite a bit and try to stay updated on issues and to be honestly there are way more instances of people using a car recklessly causing death than people using rifles recklessly causing death. I come from a fairly redneck cultured city (Sudbury) and you know what more people get killed by reckless car owners than by reckless gun owners. And we have alot of guns up here. A tool is a tool buddy, and i challenge you to find an up to date article that says more people in Canada are killed in gun accidents than car accidents. And if death caused by guns make up the majority of murders in this country.

The guns i do read about in the news that are used recklessly that result in death are those already banned hand guns the gangbangers in Toronto use illegally.

 

[cranky]

To me it does feel the same. A car and a gun are both tools that need to be operated by a human. I watch the news quite a bit and try to stay updated on issues and to be honestly there are way more instances of people using a car recklessly causing death than people using rifles recklessly causing death. I come from a fairly redneck cultured city (Sudbury) and you know what more people get killed by reckless car owners than by reckless gun owners. And we have alot of guns up here. A tool is a tool buddy, and i challenge you to find an up to date article that says more people in Canada are killed in gun accidents than car accidents. And if death caused by guns make up the majority of murders in this country.

The guns i do read about in the news that are used recklessly that result in death are those already banned hand guns the gangbangers in Toronto use illegally.

yes, but we all agree that going after the alberta farmers and duck hunters is the keep to catching the toronto gangbangers, right?

 

[Unforgiven]

I don't care to dance this idiot dance yet again.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Dispelling the myth of 'The Wild West' - Minneapolis gun rights | Examiner.com

You lost. The registry is gonna go. Permanently.

deal with it.

And watch the murder rate NOT rise significantly.

What ever will you do then???

Colpy Colpy Colpy what have I told you about these made up statistics?

This being the only dance you have any practice at you're going to dance it and you're going to repeat all the dumb things you've said before.

You're link is garbage but you know that or else you've had a mental break down. Comparing some stock shipping point in the late 1800 to Washington DC in 2007 is an insult to intelligence. A habit with you.

The Registry is likely going to be scrapped to appease a small number of Reform base supporters, but it's only going to be replaced with something else and I am sure you will froth on cue bouncing from the horrors of having to fill out a questionnaire on the Internet and click send and how totally betrayed you are by those dirty red conservatives.

Before too long, the Neolibs will be back in the groove and once booted from government the cons will fracture into the various parts that made up their coalition and again wander the wilderness suffering the lack of funds from the government to run their party. Probably will blame the Liberals for that too.

Lastly, why is it that you want to associate the death by gun and the murder rate? Is it because the murder rate has dropped while the GSW rate has risen? I suspect so or that you are clueless to it as often is the case. Either way we know who will laugh last. lol

 

[cranky]

Colpy Colpy Colpy what have I told you about these made up statistics?

This being the only dance you have any practice at you're going to dance it and you're going to repeat all the dumb things you've said before.

You're link is garbage but you know that or else you've had a mental break down. Comparing some stock shipping point in the late 1800 to Washington DC in 2007 is an insult to intelligence. A habit with you.

The Registry is likely going to be scrapped to appease a small number of Reform base supporters, but it's only going to be replaced with something else and I am sure you will froth on cue bouncing from the horrors of having to fill out a questionnaire on the Internet and click send and how totally betrayed you are by those dirty red conservatives.

Before too long, the Neolibs will be back in the groove and once booted from government the cons will fracture into the various parts that made up their coalition and again wander the wilderness suffering the lack of funds from the government to run their party. Probably will blame the Liberals for that too.

Lastly, why is it that you want to associate the death by gun and the murder rate? Is it because the murder rate has dropped while the GSW rate has risen? I suspect so or that you are clueless to it as often is the case. Either way we know who will laugh last. lol

don't start holding your breath

 

[Colpy]

Colpy Colpy Colpy what have I told you about these made up statistics?

This being the only dance you have any practice at you're going to dance it and you're going to repeat all the dumb things you've said before.

You're link is garbage but you know that or else you've had a mental break down. Comparing some stock shipping point in the late 1800 to Washington DC in 2007 is an insult to intelligence. A habit with you.

The Registry is likely going to be scrapped to appease a small number of Reform base supporters, but it's only going to be replaced with something else and I am sure you will froth on cue bouncing from the horrors of having to fill out a questionnaire on the Internet and click send and how totally betrayed you are by those dirty red conservatives.

Before too long, the Neolibs will be back in the groove and once booted from government the cons will fracture into the various parts that made up their coalition and again wander the wilderness suffering the lack of funds from the government to run their party. Probably will blame the Liberals for that too.

Lastly, why is it that you want to associate the death by gun and the murder rate? Is it because the murder rate has dropped while the GSW rate has risen? I suspect so or that you are clueless to it as often is the case. Either way we know who will laugh last. lol

The statistics I quoted you that showed that the murder rate in Canada ROSE immediately after full implementation of the long gun registry were completely factual.......

And got in reply from you BS about "gun murders" falling.......who GIVES a f ck?????? Do you think people are any deader just because they are shot instead of beaten to death or stabbed????? The point is, was and ever will be that the registration of long guns had NO effect on the number of dead people....that is the reality.

Not that it matters.

You lose.

You are the one that brought up the "horrendous" murder rate in the west of the 19th century.....the rule of evidence is once you open a subject, the opponent gets to rebut......

I only have to repeat the same crap over and over because you are either too stupid, too drug addled, or too much of a troll to get it the first thirty-seven times

The gun registry is suspended as we speak, it will be gone within a year, all the records accumulated so far destroyed, the 2 billion plus dollars you nanny-state idiots burned up for no reason gone forever, those of us who have fought long and hard for the inherent right to easy access to arms under reasonable regulation vindicated. Not to return in the foreseeable future. Gun shops opening up here as I speak. My heart is light with joy.

As for the Conservative Party, it is now the go-to party..........the new Natural Governing Party, the left split, the Liberals smashed.....and with 30 new seats in Ontario and the west, competent, moderate gov't in Ottawa, and the stupidity of the "secret agenda" put to rest, the CPC will rule for some time.

You lose politically, you lose on the firearms file, and you lose philosophically. Even in Toronto they vote CPC.

Go smoke a joint and chill man, deal with it.

 

[ironsides]

Just a reminder what it is all about. I am thankful we in the U.S. have a "Second Amendment", and most states do not restrict ones right to protect themselves. By the way, every gun sold in the U.S. is documented at point of original sale, so someone will be answering questions if it is used to commit a illegal act.


Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For

 

[Colpy]

Just a reminder what it is all about. I am thankful we in the U.S. have a "Second Amendment", and most states do not restrict ones right to protect themselves. By the way, every gun sold in the U.S. is documented at point of original sale, so someone will be answering questions if it is used to commit a illegal act.


Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For

Yeah....I've seen this.

This woman was one of the most important factors in the widespread acceptance of "must issue" carry laws in the USA.

 

[cranky]

In canada, firearms owners by rifles for hunting, and it is less often that we buy with intent to use for self defence. And, this is important because when all hell breaks loose we don't use our firearms the same way they do in the usa.

Tell me why a canadian coal mine with a thousand works can have a nasty experience at a picket line yet not one them pulls out their hunting rifle from their pickup truck and starts shooting in an LA riots style? Why? Because being civilized has more to do with the culture and people than it has to do with the ease of access to fireams.

This is one of the failings of the canadian antigun crowd, they paint a stereo typical 'anerican style' citizen infront of there favorite canadian home, then they judge canadian laws against what a large group of amercan citizens might do.

Simply put, candian dont use their firearms to settle conflict in that mass hysteria way that americans do.

 

[Unforgiven]

The statistics I quoted you that showed that the murder rate in Canada ROSE immediately after full implementation of the long gun registry were completely factual.......

And got in reply from you BS about "gun murders" falling.......who GIVES a f ck?????? Do you think people are any deader just because they are shot instead of beaten to death or stabbed????? The point is, was and ever will be that the registration of long guns had NO effect on the number of dead people....that is the reality.

Ah so, you insist that even though people murdered by gun shot wound dropping in the wake of stronger gun legislation doesn't matter because of new and as yet unaddressed other methods used to murder someone?
Please, you can't be that dumb can you Colpy? If gun shot wounds are reduced by regulation then it's good for society regardless of other crime.

Not that it matters.

Well it clearly doesn't matter to you how many people are murdered with a gun as long as you can have a gun for yourself. What a selfish position you take.

You lose.

It's the war not the battle that counts in the long run. I want to see that only those responsible and qualified are allowed to own and handle firearms.

You are the one that brought up the "horrendous" murder rate in the west of the 19th century.....the rule of evidence is once you open a subject, the opponent gets to rebut......

Still waiting on some form of rebuttle from you that isn't gun nut gibberish.

I only have to repeat the same crap over and over because you are either too stupid, too drug addled, or too much of a troll to get it the first thirty-seven times

Not that you have to, but you are able to. Big difference. And just because you're wrong doesn't mean you have some understanding of how or why you are wrong. Some people like yourself just aren't able to understand that.

The gun registry is suspended as we speak, it will be gone within a year, all the records accumulated so far destroyed, the 2 billion plus dollars you nanny-state idiots burned up for no reason gone forever, those of us who have fought long and hard for the inherent right to easy access to arms under reasonable regulation vindicated. Not to return in the foreseeable future. Gun shops opening up here as I speak. My heart is light with joy.

Of course the 1 billion dollars you bozos have blown on the G20 was a valuable and reasonable expenditure. Not so much. As stated owning a gun isn't a right you have in Canada. For some guy who claims he teaches and loves history, you sure don't know or understand much of it. Typical of the fanatic though.

As for the Conservative Party, it is now the go-to party..........the new Natural Governing Party, the left split, the Liberals smashed.....and with 30 new seats in Ontario and the west, competent, moderate gov't in Ottawa, and the stupidity of the "secret agenda" put to rest, the CPC will rule for some time.

Yeah the right was busted down to 2 seats at one time. Far less than the Liberals have at this point. Again the Liberals will rebuild the party, losing the dead wood that has dragged the party down since before Martin grabbed the brass ring and will I expect return and again dump the radical in fancy dress out on it's ass again.

You lose politically, you lose on the firearms file, and you lose philosophically. Even in Toronto they vote CPC.

Not so much. Politics always goes back and forth. Nature of the beast. I can live with that as there is so much ground the true centrist party has laid, the CPC can only scratch the surface and remain unable to change any of the fundamental policy that has already been legislated. You're simply going to have to learn to deal with that Colpy. Suck it up boy, it's a long trip.

Go smoke a joint and chill man, deal with it.

Oh I can't do that for quite some time yet I am afraid as I have things to do today. But hey you go get drunk like usual and come on back later with your belligerence and half cocked rantings. I'll be here to kick your ass as usual. lol