Obama urges future Palestinian state be based on '67 borders

[CDNBear]

Well, it's pretty difficult now since we're all so entrenched.

And you think Israel isn't?

I think it's more important to ensure that most people are now satisfied with status quo. I'm not sure how many Natives are making a call for their land to be given back to them, but it does not seem to be at the point where there is a militant conflict between us and them like Israelis and Palestinians.

So if we start lobbing rockets into your neighbourhood, you'll leave peacefully?

Of course we used our technological advantage to snuff them out quite early and that is sad and unfortunate.

So you say, as you benefit from it.

He never said there was no evidence, he insinuated it wasn't even relevant.

So evidence is irrelevant?

The recency of that conflict.

I don't think you can just compare Palestinans to Natives and say - "go".

Of course not, it's you being asked to go. It's only natural for moral relativism to kick in.

You're human garbage, Palestinians are a conquered and oppressed peoples but you're ok with that.

So are Natives, and you're ok with that, while you live on their land.

Does that make you human garbage?

 

[CUBert]

So evidence is irrelevant?

Evidence of jews living in the region of Izrael 4000 years ago ? yes that's completely irrelevant.. Persians, Greeks, Romans, all lived there at some point in history.

 

[mentalfloss]

And you think Israel isn't?

Well we're looking at an entrenchment from 1967 vs. an entrenchment long before that. That's quite a difference. Keep in mind that the western world accepted our entrenchment without question, whereas we are now developing a global moral compass to avoid this sort of hegemony.

We can't get away with the same.. conquest.. that we did back then.

So if we start lobbing rockets into your neighbourhood, you'll leave peacefully?

I'm not sure about that, but the areas that Israelis took over in 1967 were unwarranted, weren't they?

So you say, as you benefit from it.

If we're going back to the Natives discussion, we have to look at the current landscape and determine what would be a reasonable compromise (or collaboration even) between both parties.

It's not fair to fall into some slippery slope of extremism, simply favouring one party or the other.

 

[CUBert]

So are Natives, and you're ok with that, while you live on their land.

Natives get benefits from us the Palestinians don't get from Izrael

 

[mentalfloss]

Natives get benefits from us the Palestinians don't get from Izrael

The one thing I'm starting to see to help clarify the issue is that we need to differentiate between normal Palestinians and extremists (like Hamas, for instance). The current Palestinian PM appears to reject a lot of the extremism that the Hamas are peddling since Hamas won't accept a two-state solution. The Palestinian PM, by comparison, seems to simply want a fair and peaceful resolution and accepts the two-state solution.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Yet again, reading comprehension problems.....

I was addressing the gentleman's claim that there was no evidence of a Jewish presence.

No, I think what we won through conquest we should keep.

Chew on that.

Oh, and be nice.

Kiss kiss.

I think maybe Me and some buddies will come and conquest your house then. You won't mind if we keep it too! Thanks

 

[CDNBear]

Evidence of jews living in the region of Izrael 4000 years ago ? yes that's completely irrelevant.. Persians, Greeks, Romans, all lived there at some point in history.

There's evidence of Jews in that area form, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 150, 200, years ago.

So are you human garbage too?

Well we're looking at an entrenchment from 1967 vs. an entrenchment long before that. That's quite a difference.

Only if it suits you. I've owned my home for 6 years, I'm entrenched.

Keep in mind that the western world accepted our entrenchment without question, whereas we are now developing a global moral compass to avoid this sort of hegemony.

Of course the western world accepted it, they were driving it.

We can't get away with the same.. conquest.. that we did back then.

Maybe not, but you sure are benefiting from it now.

I'm not sure about that,

Oh, so the violence part was something you threw out for sh!ts and giggles than?

... but the areas that Israelis took over in 1967 were unwarranted, weren't they?

Some. And FYI, I've said for years that Israel should withdraw to the 67 line.

If we're going back to the Natives discussion, we have to look at the current landscape and determine what would be a reasonable compromise (or collaboration even) between both parties.

Some Natives think the complete removal of anyone that isn't a minimum of a half breed status Injin, should be shipped out.

Some say anyone that isn't a full blood.

Some don't care, while others just want what was actually stolen returned.

It's not fair to fall into some slippery slope of extremism, simply favouring one party or the other.

I agree. Which is why I think the 67 line is the best possible solution, with Jerusalem being an international protectorate. After that, any attack on Israel, will be considered an act of war. Where I would support israle unleashing the dogs of war on the Nation of Palestine, and any land taken in that conflict, becomes Israels property, full stop.

Natives get benefits from us the Palestinians don't get from Izrael

Israel pumps fuel, water and hydro into Gaza, pro bono.

I think maybe Me and some buddies will come and conquest your house then. You won't mind if we keep it too! Thanks

Really? So when are you moving out of Canada? Duncan is a contested area Nick.

You and Israel have a lot in common.

 

[mentalfloss]

You know what would be awesome..

If this wasn't such a huge mind**** of a problem.

 

[CDNBear]

You know what would be awesome..

If this wasn't a problem.

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Colpy]

Gary Clement on Netanyahu’s hard line | Full Comment | National Post

 

[MHz]

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly and made the world community smile.
A representative from Israel began: ‘Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses: When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, ‘What a good opportunity to have a bath!’
Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them!
The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted, ‘What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren’t there then.’
The Israeli representative smiled and said, ‘And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech..

The rock was in the Sinai desert, you know back when they were without a home, their old owners had just been killed not even 40 years earlier. Neb took the away in 600BC and ever since then a Gentile army had been the Law in the land. So from declaration to the first exile was how many years, 1,000 - 1500. God has taken the land away for 2600 years. They should learn that all math equations do not start with a $ sign.

 

[CUBert]

Israel pumps fuel, water and hydro into Gaza, pro bono..

No they don't

 

[MHz]

I think maybe Me and some buddies will come and conquest your house then. You won't mind if we keep it too! Thanks

He would give you the wrong address, then what??

 

[mentalfloss]

Gary Clement on Netanyahu’s hard line | Full Comment | National Post

That comic seems to imply that all Palestinians are Hamas.

I could take it as joke and just laugh it off.. but it seems too brutal an association to write off.

 

[CDNBear]

No they don't

Yes they do...

That comic seems to imply that all Palestinians are Hamas.

Isn't Hamas the duly elected gov't of Gaza?

 

[CUBert]

Yes they do...

Isn't Hamas the duly elected gov't of Gaza?

Enough of the emoticons you half-wit and back up your claims .

 

[MHz]

The one thing I'm starting to see to help clarify the issue is that we need to differentiate between normal Palestinians and extremists (like Hamas, for instance). The current Palestinian PM appears to reject a lot of the extremism that the Hamas are peddling since Hamas won't accept a two-state solution. The Palestinian PM, by comparison, seems to simply want a fair and peaceful resolution and accepts the two-state solution.

The Arabs can always petition for the removal of the name and have the area as a sanctuary for Jews who want to practice the religious aspects of their culture. If the Jewish homeland was a desire of all Jews they would all be trying to migrate there, they aren't so then why does it have to be a Jewish run Government. A Jewish (only) democracy is not a democracy at all.

 

[ironsides]

Why do most of you forget the parts Egypt. Jordan and Syria had in this conflict. You just blame the winners who happen to be Israel.


Now for some facts about "occupation." Firstly, the Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians lost Gaza, the West Bank and Golan Heights (respectively) by participating in a failed attempt at genocide against the Children of Israel. Had Israel lost this 1967 defensive war, the Arab-Palestinians and their Arab allies would have raped, butchered or driven out every Israeli they could get their hands on and gobbled up all of Israel. Now, 35+ years later and despite the fact that Israel won a war BROUGHT UPON THEM, the Israelis are still willing to allow the Arab-Palestinians to have a state on much of the West Bank and Gaza if only they will stop sending their suicide/homicide bombers into the heart of Israel! (Talk about misplaced compassion!) From 1948 to 1967, Egypt ruled Gaza, Syria ruled the Golan Heights, while Jordan ruled the West Bank. They could have set up independent Arab-Palestinian states in any or all of those territories, but they didn't even consider it. Instead, in 1967 they used the Golan Heights, Gaza and the West bank to launch a war that was unambiguously aimed at destroying Israel, which is how Israel came into possession of those territories in the first place.

ISRAEL SCREWS UP TOO!​

Israel was responsible for bringing about some of its own problems. The Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were packed and ready to leave following their 1967 defeat. Suddenly the victorious one-eyed IDF General Moshe Dayan persuaded them to stay. This singular act stunned no one more than the Arab enemy himself who could not believe such an incredible manifestation of Jewish madness! After all, the Arabs knew what THEY would have done to the Jews if they had won! Dayan's plan was to educate them, offer them modern medical treatment, provide them with employment both in the West Bank, Gaza AND inside Israel Proper itself ... living amongst each other in hopes of building bridges to the Arab world. Israel is now paying dearly for this typically naive "Leftist" gesture. That "bridge" led to two Intifadas and world-wide Arab-Palestinian terrorism. From a frightened and defeated enemy, these "Palestinian" Arabs under Israel's jurisdiction turned into a confident, hateful and dangerous enemy now on their way toward forming a terrorist state determined to destroy Israel!

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

 

[CDNBear]

Enough of the emoticons you half-wit and back up your claims .

As soon as you back and answer at minimum, a dozen unanswered questions, and supply proof for at minimum 20+ claims you've never supported.

When you do that, I'll actually do more than just cause you to have melt downs.

 

[mentalfloss]

Isn't Hamas the duly elected gov't of Gaza?

Gaza, yes. The West Bank, No.

The international representative is Mahmoud Abbas, who, if an agreement was struck, would enforce continued peace.

Now for some facts about "occupation." Firstly, the Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians lost Gaza, the West Bank and Golan Heights (respectively) by participating in a failed attempt at genocide against the Children of Israel. Had Israel lost this 1967 defensive war, the Arab-Palestinians and their Arab allies would have raped, butchered or driven out every Israeli they could get their hands on and gobbled up all of Israel. Now, 35+ years later and despite the fact that Israel won a war BROUGHT UPON THEM...

This is factually incorrect..

The war began with a large-scale surprise air strike by Israel. The outcome was a swift and decisive Israeli victory. Israel took effective control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War