Dying Trees and 10 thousand year old bones

[bill barilko]

Actually the native or first nations peoples are miles ahead when it comes to environmentalism....

That's possibly the most clueless statement I've read on the net this month-and I read a lot.

FYI-Indigenous societies had small populations to care for yet people overused and starved themselves as often as not-the archaeological record shows this time and time again-see the ancient Mayans for one glaring example.

As far as trash since everything their organic waste was no problem and whatever stone they used is handy for us today to study their long gone societies.

And anyone visiting a native reserve in Canada knows the meaning of the term dump-even the Capilano Reserve here in Vancouver is littered with garbage-the streets are choked with plastic rubbish and they are one of the if not the richest band in the country.

 

[Cliffy]

That's possibly the most clueless statement I've read on the net this month-and I read a lot.

FYI-Indigenous societies had small populations to care for yet people overused and starved themselves as often as not-the archaeological record shows this time and time again-see the ancient Mayans for one glaring example.

As far as trash since everything their organic waste was no problem and whatever stone they used is handy for us today to study their long gone societies.

And anyone visiting a native reserve in Canada knows the meaning of the term dump-even the Capilano Reserve here in Vancouver is littered with garbage-the streets are choked with plastic rubbish and they are one of the if not the richest band in the country.

The mistake damngrumpy made was that the indigenous people used to be better environmentalists.

As for your assertion that grumpy's statement is ignorant, I think yours is more so. I have been to a lot of reserves and they are not all as you contend. As far as the Mayans are concerned, nobody knows why they disappeared. And stone tools out of context are useless because they cannot be dated unless they are accompanied by organic material such as bones. Your bias is showing and it doesn't look pretty.

 

[bill barilko]

I have been to a lot of reserves and they are not all as you contend.

Agreed just some of them are dumps-the Sechelt band have a nice place for instance.

As far as the Mayans are concerned, nobody knows why they disappeared.

Not even close to accurate-I see you don't follow the archaeological blogs-the evidence is plain for all to see.

And stone tools out of context are useless because they cannot be dated unless they are accompanied by organic material such as bones. Your bias is showing and it doesn't look pretty.

What bias?

The simple fact is that no one group can claim any special talent for preserving the environment for any reason other than starvation*-other than that it's a free for all/has always been pretty much a free for all no matter where you go.


* Some South Pacific islands have banned dogs-not because they got tired of eating them but because they bred so fast they presented a problem to children-look to the Cook Islands for more info.